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b4ndito wrote ... alcosatz wrote ... What was that stuff about an official clan proposal? What would we be voting on, specifically? I hardly think it would be fair for the three of us to just take control because we felt like it or did it before someone else. We want to know that the clan supports this idea and supports us. Its the clan's decision for us to be given this role. I feel like this is a decision that's left up to Alex and Knight to make, since it is their server that they own. That's just my opinion though |
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b4ndito
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Fair point, Emer. I'll argue though: it's their server, but they instituted as a part of this clan, so it represents all of us. | ||
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Anal Assassin
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I had mentioned to Bandito that this would be like an unofficial vote....to get everyone's input and hear any objections. | ||
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peacebypeice
Registered Member #925
Joined: Mon Nov 26 2007, 05:23AMPosts: 1452 |
emerican wrote ... I agree they should have a say in it, but I would also like the rest of the community to be behind. We value Alex and Mark's opinions a great deal, but it is about time to get this thing moving rather than just talking about it.
b4ndito wrote ... alcosatz wrote ... What was that stuff about an official clan proposal? What would we be voting on, specifically? I hardly think it would be fair for the three of us to just take control because we felt like it or did it before someone else. We want to know that the clan supports this idea and supports us. Its the clan's decision for us to be given this role. I feel like this is a decision that's left up to Alex and Knight to make, since it is their server that they own. That's just my opinion though |
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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
b4ndito wrote ... alcosatz wrote ... What was that stuff about an official clan proposal? What would we be voting on, specifically? I hardly think it would be fair for the three of us to just take control because we felt like it or did it before someone else. We want to know that the clan supports this idea and supports us. Its the clan's decision for us to be given this role. You're acting a little cagey over this. I've handled this with kid gloves so far, and I've got no outstanding issues with you, but come on... wouldn't be fair to take control? I'm curious to see just how, exactly, you would take control. According to the FT Constitution, Bill of Rights, or whatever it's being called these days: VII. A proposal cannot be made requesting changes to any FT server's operation, admin list, mapcycle, etc... That is beyond the scope of the clan. Server operation is up to server owners and operators. Proposals that deal with the above aforementioned will be declared invalid and closed by moderators. Thread will be moved accordingly. Source: -[link]- Even if these servers were officially FT (which they're not, see below) you can't "take control." Being a control freak myself, I am confident in saying this.  emerican wrote ... I feel like this is a decision that's left up to Alex and Knight to make, since it is their server that they own. That's just my opinion though Thanks for bringing some sanity to this discussion, but it should be clarified as this: these are Knightrider's office servers (Source and GO). We all know that I'm very stubborn (this response is proof) but I report to him at the end of the day. b4ndito wrote ... Fair point, Emer. I'll argue though: it's their server, but they instituted as a part of this clan, so it represents all of us. See the constitutional section quoted above, and also check out this: IX. Any new server that is run by an [FT] member and wishes for it to be associated/affiliated/inducted into the [FT] clan and community should be taken to a Vote and decided upon by the clan. If the server is accepted by way of a successful simple majority (more yes votes than no votes), the server should have the words 'Fish Tank' in the name/title as a recognition of the server's affiliation with the clan/community. Source: -[link]- I remember seeing an annoying chatbox post from nostie weeks ago about how the office server should have "FT" or "Fish Tank" or something similar in the title. Too lazy to dig up the actual quote from nostie, but Knight and I have NOT put "FT" or "Fish Tank" in the name of the office servers for this reason. We were actually trying to follow the Constitution/Bill of Rights/9th grade civic class/etc rules before these servers were officially FT! I would certainly like to see them go through the official voting process, and I suppose the Source server could go through it now. The GO server needs to be tested some first, but I would like to turn it over to the public just as soon as I iron out one plugin that I've been working on. gLiTch wrote ... I had mentioned to Bandito that this would be like an unofficial vote....to get everyone's input and hear any objections. There's nothing wrong with consensus building, and I think collaborative work is great, but this doesn't sound right. It sounds like you're trying to distance yourself from b4ndito's original comments. peacebypeice wrote ... I agree they should have a say in it, but I would also like the rest of the community to be behind. We value Alex and Mark's opinions a great deal, but it is about time to get this thing moving rather than just talking about it. At risk of sounding psychotic by referring to myself in the third-person, Mark and Alex are, no shit, working on it. We're not just talking about it. You have been more party to a group of people "just talking about it" than me, as far as I know. So... damage control: I love and respect all of you. Please don't do stuff like this again or you'll drive me even crazier than I already am. |
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peacebypeice
Registered Member #925
Joined: Mon Nov 26 2007, 05:23AM Posts: 1452 |
peacebypeice wrote ... I agree they should have a say in it, but I would also like the rest of the community to be behind. We value Alex and Mark's opinions a great deal, but it is about time to get this thing moving rather than just talking about it. At risk of sounding psychotic by referring to myself in the third-person, Mark and Alex are, no shit, working on it. We're not just talking about it. You have been more party to a group of people "just talking about it" than me, as far as I know. I'm sorry that came off as if I were calling you out Alex and Mark. After rereading my post I realize how that was read rather than intended. I did not mean to sound like Alex and Mark were "just talking about it" and not doing anything about it. Knight's post was essentially calling for action in looking for people to stand up and take some responsibilities. We are just trying to get the ball rolling on that side of things. This is nothing official but more, as you said, consensus building. I agree that this does need to go through the system that has been built. Sorry that came out so mucked up. |
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Anal Assassin
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Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AM Posts: 3848 |
I hate politics... Kind of figured that the whole "Fish Tank" servers would be "grandfathered in" simply because that is what this clan is about. I think it would be rather stupid to have to vote in our DEFAULT server(s). That rule was meant for future servers such as another zombie server, or new CSGO gameplay server. My idea of an "unofficial vote" was to see what peoples opinions were regarding clan leadership. Not an election of any sorts which is what i said to Bandito in the private message. He may have just misread it. My goal was to see if everyone was ok with particular leadership roles so that WE, the 3 amigos, can speak to Knight about moving this forward. Knight, and im also pretty sure you as well, do not want this responsibility as you are putting your efforts into this actual server. This i am very appreciative for since i rather have nobody else working on it than you two. According to the rules, only server OPs can determine admin list. So that is what this thread is for. This is not a vote/proposal therefore it is not breaking any rules which is why i have not closed it. Piece on the other hand i know meant no disrespect and i got his point upon reading it. He wants to get this ball rolling as do i and im sure many others. We want tight and uniform leadership roles so we can get things together for CSGO. The game releases in exactly 3 weeks. Weeks ago you said to me in Office that you would like to see me take more of an initiative with leadership. I have been and im doing so again. I am trying to sort shit out to the best of my abilities within my delegated powers. I do not like to step on any toes nor do i want to. If nobody objects to this new form of leadership, and Knightrider also does not object to this leadership, then he can OFFICIALLY without a vote change our status to "Head Admin/Server Operator" or whatever (not necessarily meaning server op technical shit) and than we can legitimately pick admin lists and change policies. Edited Wed Aug 01 2012, 05:30AM |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
peacebypeice wrote ... I'm sorry that came off as if I were calling you out Alex and Mark. After rereading my post I realize how that was read rather than intended. I did not mean to sound like Alex and Mark were "just talking about it" and not doing anything about it. Knight's post was essentially calling for action in looking for people to stand up and take some responsibilities. We are just trying to get the ball rolling on that side of things. This is nothing official but more, as you said, consensus building. I agree that this does need to go through the system that has been built. Sorry that came out so mucked up. No harm done, sir. I wasn't trying to make you guys feel bad about yourselves (well, maybe just a little). I applaud you and your cohorts for trying to get shit done. Consensus building is good stuff, but my advice is to first talk to Knightrider about anything involving FT Classic. He let's me run with server operation stuff, but we have a pretty good channel of communication. My understanding is that any significant decisions concerning FT Classic should be cleared by him. Edited Wed Aug 01 2012, 06:09AM |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Pardon the DP... gLiTch wrote ... Kind of figured that the whole "Fish Tank" servers would be "grandfathered in" simply because that is what this clan is about. I think it would be rather stupid to have to vote in our DEFAULT server(s). That rule was meant for future servers such as another zombie server, or new CSGO gameplay server. I figured the office servers would be voted in according to the constitution. Bending rules is OK with me, but the assumption that they will be broken and not even discussed? Kinda sucks, man. gLiTch wrote ... My idea of an "unofficial vote" was to see what peoples opinions were regarding clan leadership. Not an election of any sorts which is what i said to Bandito in the private message. He may have just misread it. My goal was to see if everyone was ok with particular leadership roles so that WE, the 3 amigos, can speak to Knight about moving this forward. Knight, and im also pretty sure you as well, do not want this responsibility as you are putting your efforts into this actual server. This i am very appreciative for since i rather have nobody else working on it than you two. An unofficial vote for FTCC in the FT Classic forum? Seems messy to me. gLiTch wrote ... According to the rules, only server OPs can determine admin list. If we're talking about the FT constitution, then yeah, I believe that I already pointed that out. Thanks for confirming. gLiTch wrote ... So that is what this thread is for. This is not a vote/proposal therefore it is not breaking any rules which is why i have not closed it. Right, I never said this was a vote or proposal because that would be ridiculous if it occurred in the FT Classic forum. What was hinted at in b4ndito's post was that a vote or proposal would occur based on the content of his initial post. I have no clue what you three Amigos intended FTCC to vote on, but I guess I'm a dick for asking? gLiTch wrote ... Piece on the other hand i know meant no disrespect and i got his point upon reading it. He wants to get this ball rolling as do i and im sure many others. We want tight and uniform leadership roles so we can get things together for CSGO. The game releases in exactly 3 weeks. This is understood, and from what Jesus/Steel told me earlier today, the public beta should be out very soon. gLiTch wrote ... Weeks ago you said to me in Office that you would like to see me take more of an initiative with leadership. I have been and im doing so again. I am trying to sort shit out to the best of my abilities within my delegated powers. I do not like to step on any toes nor do i want to. Did I? Demo or it didn't happen! Seriously, I don't remember that at all. I suggest that you deal with Knightrider from this point on. gLiTch wrote ... If nobody objects to this new form of leadership, and Knightrider also does not object to this leadership, then he can OFFICIALLY without a vote change our status to "Head Admin/Server Operator" or whatever (not necessarily meaning server op technical shit) and than we can legitimately pick admin lists and change policies. Definitely--let Knightrider sort it out. |
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b4ndito
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Joined: Fri Jan 04 2008, 06:59AM Posts: 3385 |
I'm getting tired of arguing semantics. Me, Glitch, and Skittles are offering up our time and efforts to maintain and run the admin team and the social side of Fish Tank Classic. I think we'd do very well at it. I expect that the majority of the clan thinks the same. So, let's not beat around the bush anymore. Is anyone opposed to the three of us taking the lead on this? |
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