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The Original MilfHunter
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Wildcard23 wrote ... Zero wrote ... If you are voting yes to terminate him based on self dislike despite the fact that he does promote a good image, you should be ashamed. Wow!! So, let me get this right Night. "Terminating Aws based on self dislike should make you ashamed." Wow, you fail horribly. Let's walk through this step by step for you. This is FT right? And FT is what? A COMMUNITY CLAN!!! ZOMG!!! IT IS A COMMUNITY CLAN!! And entrance into the clan is not based on skill but based on what? OH YEAH, that's right. WHETHER THE COMMUNITY LIKES YOU OR NOT. How could I have been so blind? But wait. If whether people like you or not is a determining factor of getting in the clan, wouldn't the same hold true that if the COMMUNITY didn't like you after you were in, that you could be terminated? Nice try to jump on the Goose bandwagon, but FAIL!! So what's your beef with Awse then? Why exactly do you dislike the guy? Is it because he made an Admin Abuse claim against you on Oct 16? -[link]- You thought he was camping and the situation ended in you banning him for 30 mins. Flashback to Jun 8, 2006- The day Awse was informed that he became an FTC admin, he said… He was dealing with CT campers before you even played on FTC. You’ve had something against him for a little while now. On Oct 16, I witnessed you treat him with complete disrespect as you tried to pick a fight with him. You were more than happy to continually disrespect a fellow [FT] member (under false pretences and use ‘camping’ as a scapegoat) and you straight up bullied him. He was minding his own business, playing the game, but you decided to take out some frustration because you had a bad day. The significance of the date Oct 16 is that this is the same day that you were let go from your job. -[link]- From what I witnessed, Awse had every right to make an abuse claim against you but sadly, it wasn’t taken seriously because you ‘made a longer post than he did’. I wanted to, and probably should have said something to you in-game, but I wussed out. I regret that because now we see the point that it has escaladed to. Awse’s abuse claim against Wild wasn’t a bogus claim, it had merit. And in that very thread you said… Wildcard23 wrote ... Aws you are a continuing problem on FTC. You have been since I started playing on the server. You consistently camp at the back window EVERY single round. This isn't the first time that you've been warned about your constant camping. It doesn't just go away every single time that you leave the server and you get to come back with a clean slate. You have been around plenty long enough to know the rules on FTC about CT camping. I’d really like to draw your attention to something. -[link]- Over the past 30 days, Awse ranks first in Hostie rescues with 132. (Pracket is a distant second with 40) Likewise over the past 30 days, -[link]- Awse ranks first in hostie touches with 640 (second is ender with 451). He doesn’t display traits of a constant camper, rather these stats more closely resemble someone who COMPLETES THE OBJECTIVE. So, tell us why you dislike him then. Is it that kind of blind and ignorant dislike that leads people to dress up in white bed sheets? Or is it the kind of dislike that prompts a dude to name his gay-bashing stick Lloyd? Or maybe you are under the impression that every person who follows Islam is a Terrorist? Inform us, enlighten us. Why do you dislike him? I’ll even break the ice. Here are a few names and comments that I publicly made toward Awse because I didn’t like him and he annoyed me at the time. I made these comments on forums over the past year and a bit… At least read the first post so you know the topic that you are butchering, even if you don't want to read any replies. Or just don't bother posting, cuz yet again you managed to piss me the fuck off. So come on Wild, (or anyone else for that matter) step up to the plate and lecture me on what it means to dislike or to be annoyed by Awsedreswa. You pansies don’t even have the slightest idea. Wild, I was hating on Awse before you even found FTC. Bunch of big boys, tossing around Fuck bombs like hardass 3 rd graders. Until you come up with a term like ‘Midas Golden Shit Touch’ for the sole purpose of flaming Awse, don’t come in here talking about ‘dislike’ and ‘annoy’ because you don’t know what those terms mean. Bunch of posers and wannabe haters looking for any Mickey Mouse excuse you can to pick on him…. But the thought to kick him out never crossed my mind. Any 4 year old with a book of matches can burn down a bridge. It takes fortitude to pick up a hammer and nails in order to build bridges back up. I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve had problems with Awse in the past, I think I illustrated that sufficiently. But the more I played with him in-game and the more I talked to him I realized that he was an alright person. I’ve grown to accept his views because he isn’t afraid to speak his mind, with reason and with passion. Now, many of you are presented with an option. You can either pick up the matches, or you can pick up the hammer. Wildcard23 wrote ... While Goose made a 4,000 word essay, he selectively used his 4,000 words to argue FOR Aws and put a spin on it of why Aws is the greatest. Yeah, Ninca was really giving you all the facts. I posted evidence, you know, the thing you need in order to convict somebody. As for ‘spin’, re-read Ninca’s first post and substantiate his claims by posting something tangible,,, like I dunno, logs, hour counts, etc… then talk to me about spin. Wildcard23 wrote ... Every single person here is capable of writing 4,000 words to argue AGAINST Aws. Bullshit. The only person in here who has enough history of hate towards Awse to fill 4000 words, would be me. And even then none of it would be valid reasoning for a Termination. But Wild, you can talk the talk, but can you walk the cock? Write 4,000 words on why you want Awse out of the clan. You’re a former cop, don’t forget the evidence to back up your allegations. Be sure to include Oct 16. Bottom of the 9 th and you’re up to bat with 2 out. Don’t choke. Wildcard23 wrote ... It's purely argumentative writing which is a key part of taking English classes. Providing evidence is a key part of formulating a case. Oh, but I’m preaching to the choir. Wildcard23 wrote ... For many of us that have played a large amount with him in game, he has NEVER called out strategies or given positive feedback UNTIL there was talk of a termination thread and it was actually posted. Knight easily proved that wrong by citing the chat logs. Wildcard23 wrote ... This is all new conduct for him. Hell, this was the first time that I can remember in the last year that he has posted in an FT Open Proposal. You joined forums and the first time you played on FTC was Dec/20 06. You haven’t even been here for a year. This evidence thing is really killing you. And yet you have the balls to call my argument ‘argumentative’? Wildcard23 wrote ... It's only recently in the same way that some people who have BARELY been active on forums or in FTC are all of a sudden flooding back to the website and the server after threat of a termination thread. Awse plays on FTC almost everyday. Wanna talk about precedents? Jb didn't play or post for 4 months. He comes back to the forums and his name is taken off of Vega's group termination. Awse plays almost everyday, and here you are, talking about HIS level of activity? What a load of shit. Wildcard23 wrote ... If some of you are all staunch advocates for Aws, then let his conduct IN THE future prove why he should be voted BACK into FT IF his termination thread carries. Yeah, so hop in your cruiser and grab any random fool off of the street. Lock him in jail for a few years then say, "We haven't charged you with anything, we don't have any evidence against you and we are not going to give you a fair trial, but someone alleged you are in the wrong so we'll keep you behind bars so we can watch you and you can prove to us that you are a decent citizen so we might let you go." Flawless logic Wild. Wildcard23 wrote ... Good game all but try not to jump all over the Goose bandwagon or try to shit on everyone else who didn't jump on the Goose bandwagon. Think independently and stop letting the longest post make your decision for you. When you deliberate, take into account evidence and motives. Think independently en route to making an informed decision. Awse is still a member if [FT] and he is considered equal with the same rights as the rest of us have. Realize that before setting a precedent. Edited Mon Oct 29 2007, 04:02PM |
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The Original MilfHunter
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I think I got a little heated under the collar in the last post, sorry fellas. Thanks to anyone who has bothered to take a few minutes and read all of this, I appreciate it. I’ll keep this one short and then I’m gonna shut my trap. GOD. wrote ... well i find it hypocritical of him to complain about meatspin, when there are plenty of other gross pictures, the pic of goose (girl being gangbanged, and the goatse). for being a hypocrite, and not even acknowledging that there are other disgusting sprays i voted yes. he singled me out, even after i stoped (steel asked me to stop, i stoped) so after i stop, he makes a thread against me trying to get me flamed. imo, thats not good behavior. -[link]- Here’s a link to the thread where he calls me out for my Goatse Spray. Awse even takes and posts a screenshot of the Goatse. He also calls out someone else’s spray too! -[link]- There’s the thread where he directly mentions the Meatspin spray and he says… GOD, stop the homosexual spray's please. Take note of the area highlighted in green. It’s the Server Rule from FTC. He seems to have called out people who were in violation of server rules and in your case, he even said the word ‘please’. When someone asks you to please follow the server rule, I don’t think he is setting you up to get flamed. God, does that make you feel a bit better now?  GOD. wrote ... however, i do not think awsed deserves as much slack as he is getting. Well how much slack is he getting? Some would say that he is being burned at the stake and not receiving any slack at all. God, you do realize that you played under the name ‘|ANAL| Nazi’ for over 25 hours on FTC right? As well as |ANAL| Hitler, GAY PIECE OF SHIT, gay italian plumber, “The N Word”. I don’t want to rag on you or anything, but you do see the irony in this right? Likewise a few [FT]’s admitted to hacking, apologized and forgiven without any repercussions. I was permabanned a few times on FTC. Some people need to take extended leaves and if they post about it, they are given some ‘slack’ and not put up for terminations. EVERYONE within the community receives some slack here and there. The idea is to dish out a proportionate amount of slack to each person. Do you still think Awse is receiving more slack than anyone else? Vincent Vega wrote ... Its not reach 30 and you're scott-free; its you reach 30 and remain active in the forums. You dont swear fealty to the law when you become a cop then just stop once you're actually sworn in. I take it that you've never been pulled over before.  lol. But seriously.. Awsedreswa was in the clan long before the 30 post quota was brought in last year. He never had to reach 30 before a nomination. His posting habits have been fairly consistent throughout his tenure and have never been a problem because people see him on the server so frequently and know that he is an active member in a CS clan, who actually spends more time playing CS than posting. Suddenly its become an issue?Vincent Vega wrote ... (raptors suck<-my canadian bias) Ouch.  Raps finished 3rd in the Eastern Conference last year behind Detroit and Cleveland. Raps rule.Vincent Vega wrote ... Aws plays regular but his forum participation is...lacking. We only see him when he needs something remedied. Otherwise a regular in the tank. & Vincent Vega wrote ... however, my vote will not change as the reason I want this termination is because he doesnt participate on the forums as much as a member should (dont debate that too much please, i dont want to be the victim of a goose reply that makes me slit my wrists coughnincacough) I got a question for you, if you don't mind. If Awse's forum inactivity is the basis for removing him from the clan, why didn't you include him in the multi-termination thread you made a week and a half ago that saw the removal of 14 members? He was deemed active enough then, but 11 days later, suddenly he is declared to be not active enough? [Has anyone ever wondered why Awse doesn't make a lot of posts on forums? He does show up every so often to make a thread and draw attention to a specific issue. Maybe LoLs and Rofls don't interest him,,,, or maybe he's busy doing something else, like actually playing CS.] In this thread -[link]- he says… Sorry guys, posting is kinda scarey for me, half the time my browser screws up when I hit post. I guess I need to listen to Narf and get foxfire. People make threads all of the time saying that they will be away from CS for a while due to technical difficulties and we save a seat. Sometimes people get grounded or Steam messes up and they can’t play, but they manage to stay active on forums and we let it slide. Here Awse said that his internet browser is messed and refers to ‘Firefox’ as ‘foxfire’. LoL. Why is it that we can’t accept this the way we accept other reasons? Did anyone bother to look and do some research? Many people remembered Ian’s vague last post saying he was off to the Military (Air Force?), and that was probably over a year ago. How did we overlook this detail? Wouldn’t it be fair, under the circumstances, to accept Awse’s reason for not posting as we would accept anyone else’s reason for not playing? A bit of a tangent here… How many posts ‘should’ a member make? The only set guideline in the matter would be the 100/30 quotas to get into the clan, but after that its left up to the individual. Besides, Awse was in [FT] looong before that quota was bought it. He was never held to that standard to get into the clan. Vega, I'm assuming that you mean "he doesn't post as much in relation to everyone else", and that would be a fair assessment. But if you have Emer, Fetus, Knight, Kddude near the top of the list in terms of posts, then clearly you will have a number of people near the bottom of that list as well. So whoever is near the bottom of the postcount list at the end of the month should be up for termination, regardless of the fact that they are near the top in in-game time? Both factors [in-game time and forum posts] are forms of participation and discounting one in favor of the other doesn’t paint a complete picture. This is a CS clan after all and its based on playing the game. Forums are great, but they are still just an extension of the servers. Lets flip it like this... No offense Fetus, I just want to illustrate an example. Vega, what happens when someone is near the top of the postcount list and near the bottom of the in-game time list? Out of the [FT]s that would consider FTC their 'home server', Fetus would be second last on the in-game time list for 2007,,, just below Wu and just above Patio. Why didn't you include Fetus in your termination thread if it is a valid argument to only look at 1 of the 2 forms of participation?Factor in Awse's high in-game hours and his low postcount, and you will find that Awse will land somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of total participation. Likewise, factor in Fetus' low hour count and high postcount, he too will land somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of total participation. You see what I mean? (That’s vastly different from the people you included in the multi-termination because they had a low postcount and low in-game time [aka activity/participation].) Both Fetus and Awse are active, participate and contribute in their own way. If participation is measured as relative to that amount of hours and posts other members put forth, then you have to be consistent across the board. Dude, I don’t want to be an ass or anything, you are good peoples but I’m just trying to let you know that in a clan that revolves around CS, postcounts aren’t everything. Omega wrote ... Shift Key Goose. Its the walk key. And no thats not why I voted yes. Ah yes, everyone change your minds and decide he is a saint because Goose wrote 10 pages, therefor it must be true. I’m not saying Awse is a saint; I was just trying to show that he isn’t the devil that he was made out to be. If people would have looked at the situation objectively and gave him some credit for the good that he does instead of focussing on slanderous claims, then I wouldn’t of felt the need to write 10 pages. At the end of the day I would hope that people don’t view him as either saint or devil, but rather as a person. He should be viewed through human eyes, with the same amount of respect and equality that is given to every [FT] member. -[link]- Awse said the following quotes in the ‘Terminations Amendment’ and it’s a bit ironic… The more we describe what behaviour is un-acceptable, the less likely a member will feel like they were teamed up on in a vote.Edited Mon Oct 29 2007, 07:38PM |
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[quote] So what's your beef with Awse then? Why exactly do you dislike the guy? Is it because he made an Admin Abuse claim against you on Oct 16? -[link]- You thought he was camping and the situation ended in you banning him for 30 mins. [/quote1193679339] I don't have a "beef" with Aws. I am just not a fan of him. I formulate my own opinion of people through their actions with what I see through my own eyes. From what I saw of him, I wasn't impressed with him. I don't have to substantiate my own views in the SAME EXACT WAY THAT YOU DON'T SUBSTANTIATE YOUR NEGATIVE VIEWS TOWARD RIM TO ANYONE!! Started here -[link]- Continued here -[link]- And led to your "Call for Patriotism" here -[link]- BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Flashback to Jun 8, 2006- The day Awse was informed that he became an FTC admin, he said… Go figure. There has been a long standing problem of CT camping. One that Aws mentions and had admin to deal with. Now he's on the opposite side where multiple admins have to take action against him for the same thing. Being a former admin, I guess he understands camping pretty well. Thanks for pulling up the proof for all us that he was not only cognizant of the camping issue but enforced it on the server. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... He was dealing with CT campers before you even played on FTC. And good job at making a point about nothing. [quote] You’ve had something against him for a little while now. On Oct 16, I witnessed you treat him with complete disrespect as you tried to pick a fight with him. You were more than happy to continually disrespect a fellow [FT] member (under false pretences and use ‘camping’ as a scapegoat) and you straight up bullied him. He was minding his own business, playing the game, but you decided to take out some frustration because you had a bad day. The significance of the date Oct 16 is that this is the same day that you were let go from your job. -[link]- From what I witnessed, Awse had every right to make an abuse claim against you but sadly, it wasn’t taken seriously because you ‘made a longer post than he did’. I wanted to, and probably should have said something to you in-game, but I wussed out. I regret that because now we see the point that it has escaladed to. Awse’s abuse claim against Wild wasn’t a bogus claim, it had merit. [/quote1193679339] Really? So I was the one who was wrong but you wussed out and didn't say anything? Funny coming from a higher level admin on FTC. Isn't part of your job to address issues with lower level admins or at the very least let your voice be heard in the discussion? NOW, all of a sudden, you want to turn the opposite way and claim that I picked a fight with him after warning him that he was still at back window with a minute left in admin chat? Are you fucking kidding me? YOu are full of shit. You are making allegations with no backing. Actually, let's post what you said in that thread: BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... AwsedreswA wrote ... Please adress the issue of using admin chat to further the quality of play for one's own team. It is abuse of admin priviledges. I was *DEAD* spec and from what I recall, Awse was the last person on CT and he was in the back window. Wildcard said... Wildcard23 wrote ... "A minute left and you are still at back window aws." The multiple Ts knew you were there, so it wasn't like he was "giving away your position so his team (T) could win the round". Even if he didn't say that over admin chat, you still would have died in the same fashion and at the same time as you did. I don't think what Wild said had any real impact on the round or on the enemies. With that being said, telling Wild that he sucks as an admin seems somewhat confrontational and makes it appear that you're looking for a reaction. So, obviously I picked a fight with him through admin chat. /sarcasm Then you want to claim that his immediate reaction telling me I suck as an admin is confrontational but you refused to take action for almost two weeks. But I must be wrong because now that you need it to sound as if you didn't like what was going on, you try to bullshit your way back into what you need it to be to make your argument. NO dice. Actually, your whole claim right now did nothing more than destroy your credibility. YOu are full of shit. You attempt to make an allegation backing up Aws NOW and you claim it's because you wussed out. You are totally full of shit. Since you want to talk about what the issue is between me and Aws why don't you bring it real for everyone and instead of making some bullshit allegation way after the fact to destroy your own credibility, just say to everyone that I threaten you for whatever reason so you saw the opportunity, tried to take it, and failed. I would say GG but you don't even deserve that. And people that have lost credibility by blatantly lying aren't worth my time. And don't ever make some asinine assumption concerning me getting layed off so I "took" it out on Aws. You freaking moron. All you showed is that you throw right wing hippie freaking ideas out with no backing and try to back it up with your bullshit assumptions using your flawed logic. IN the same way that it must not have been Omni playing that night since he shot you in the head with a scout while on the same team as you? Great job making up some bullshit. Have you even had a job besides working at the grocery store? [quote] I’d really like to draw your attention to something. -[link]- Over the past 30 days, Awse ranks first in Hostie rescues with 132. (Pracket is a distant second with 40) Likewise over the past 30 days, -[link]- Awse ranks first in hostie touches with 640 (second is ender with 451). He doesn’t display traits of a constant camper, rather these stats more closely resemble someone who COMPLETES THE OBJECTIVE. [/quote1193679339] So where's the times of the first touch of a hostie? Oh, they don't have that. Damn. That's a shame huh? Guess if they did show the time of each hostie in a round that would show you that he doesn't touch a hostie until around 10-30 seconds left which means he was somewhere (*cough* back window *cough*). Good job at ATTEMPTING to to portray only a portion of the facts as you so well do all the time to show that he completes the objective. I'm not going to deny that he rescues hosties and that waiting at back window for T's to come find him isn't a strategy. It's a strategy that he uses well. But it still doesn't take away from the fact that all that time at back window is a violation of your own "shot clock" rule that you came up with concerning camping on FTC. See -[link]- BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... So, tell us why you dislike him then. Is it that kind of blind and ignorant dislike that leads people to dress up in white bed sheets? Or is it the kind of dislike that prompts a dude to name his gay-bashing stick Lloyd? Or maybe you are under the impression that every person who follows Islam is a Terrorist? Inform us, enlighten us. Why do you dislike him? Please see first paragraph. And congratulations on posting various quotes from your own experience of why you didn't like Aws. Obviously, you are over it now but it doesn't matter since NO one has to substantiate why they like or don't like someone. Likes or dislikes are from personal observed behavior. Much in the same way that I dislike liars which you have now proven to be. Much in the same way that you disliked Rim for whatever reason whether he picked on you in game or whatever leading to your call for Patriotism against the "tyrants". BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... So come on Wild, (or anyone else for that matter) step up to the plate and lecture me on what it means to dislike or to be annoyed by Awsedreswa. You pansies don’t even have the slightest idea. Wild, I was hating on Awse before you even found FTC. Bunch of big boys, tossing around Fuck bombs like hardass 3 rd graders. Until you come up with a term like ‘Midas Golden Shit Touch’ for the sole purpose of flaming Awse, don’t come in here talking about ‘dislike’ and ‘annoy’ because you don’t know what those terms mean. Bunch of posers and wannabe haters looking for any Mickey Mouse excuse you can to pick on him…. But the thought to kick him out never crossed my mind. Any 4 year old with a book of matches can burn down a bridge. It takes fortitude to pick up a hammer and nails in order to build bridges back up. I’ll be the first to admit that I’ve had problems with Awse in the past, I think I illustrated that sufficiently. But the more I played with him in-game and the more I talked to him I realized that he was an alright person. I’ve grown to accept his views because he isn’t afraid to speak his mind, with reason and with passion. Now, many of you are presented with an option. You can either pick up the matches, or you can pick up the hammer. Credibility lost part 2? Call for patriotism part 2? This isn't Braveheart and you aren't Mel Gibson. Don't stand up on the soapbox with your motivational speech. No one needs it or cares about it. Once again you say I was hating before you. That's great. You continue to bring this point up. So let's address it. Get over yourself. So you've been here a long time. **Claps hands** Stop trying to throw it in other people's faces. Quality over quantity anyday. I don't take away that Aws may be a good person. I don't know him well enough personally to make that judgement. Have I tried to? No. Don't go off to write another 4,000 word essay about how I should have made an effort when I don't care. I don't know him except from his actions in game and in the forums. I have played with him over the last few days and I've noticed that he is always in the tank and his conduct in game is a total 180. Still doesn't mean I ever want to know him personally or go grab a beer with him. The termination proposed by Ninca was a termination. And the community seems to be split with some people thinking he deserves to keep the tag because he has done nothing wrong, some people thinking he deserves to keep the tag because he has made an effort lately, and the rest thinking he shouldn't keep the tag because of his past actions. If he would have gotten voted out, I would not be opposed to having him back in FT if he proved he was cool. Since it definitely apears that he isn't going to get voted out, it doesn't matter. He has done enough to at least change his perception to stay in the clan. People will accept that and move on if the thread fails. Nothing you can do about it. Hell, I'm sure people if they really wanted to could come up with a reason to terminate anyone, yourself included Goose. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Yeah, Ninca was really giving you all the facts. I posted evidence, you know, the thing you need in order to convict somebody. As for ‘spin’, re-read Ninca’s first post and substantiate his claims by posting something tangible,,, like I dunno, logs, hour counts, etc… then talk to me about spin. So when did the COMMUNITY become a court of law? Very differenct. Community is not the same as a court of law. Where in our "community by-laws" does it state you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt why someone should get in or be terminated from FT? IT doesn't. You get in/out based on activity/inactivity, what you can/don't contribute to the community, and MOST IMPORTANTLY whether the community likes you or not. Deal with it. And since you want to talk about spin why don't you go back up and read the hostie touch section I wrote. GG, not really since you fail again. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Bullshit. The only person in here who has enough history of hate towards Awse to fill 4000 words, would be me. And even then none of it would be valid reasoning for a Termination. But Wild, you can talk the talk, but can you walk the cock? Write 4,000 words on why you want Awse out of the clan. You’re a former cop, don’t forget the evidence to back up your allegations. Be sure to include Oct 16. Bottom of the 9 th and you’re up to bat with 2 out. Don’t choke. Ahh once again. Goose plays his I've been around here for a long time card so therefore I am the only one that can do anything correctly. Congratulations for not only losing credibility but also showing how incredibly self-centered you are in your own little world where you are the only one that can do anything. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Providing evidence is a key part of formulating a case. Oh, but I’m preaching to the choir. Ha hah aha!!! Keep on going Goose. YOu're freaking killing me as it is but it just keeps getting better. The longer you keep reading down into your posts the more upset it shows you really are. What are you jealous that I've been out in the work force and accomplished goals in my life that other people such as yourself couldn't handle? Sure sounds like you are pretty upset about something besides AWs being up for termination oh great wealth of credibility. Once again, where in the "community by-laws" does it say this is a court system so you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? Ding ding ding. Yes. The correct answer is NOWHERE. Congratulations. You've won a free trip back to angryville Canada where you can start using your energy to actually study for classes to possibly get a good job where you can annoy everyone you work with instead of half the FT clan. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Knight easily proved that wrong by citing the chat logs. Knight is right. I would have been better saying "to my knowledge" as I don't ever remember seeing it but I don't pay attention to only one player. Good job Knight. Guess he does call out team strats. Doesn't change my opinion of him or sway my vote. Much in the same way Goose that one positive doesn't take away from your dislike of Rim. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... You joined forums and the first time you played on FTC was Dec/20 06. You haven’t even been here for a year. This evidence thing is really killing you. And yet you have the balls to call my argument ‘argumentative’? Once again, the all knowing Goose playing the time card. Does it get lonely up there on your soapbox attempting to turn your nose up all at your little "pinions?" BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Awse plays on FTC almost everyday. Wanna talk about precedents? Jb didn't play or post for 4 months. He comes back to the forums and his name is taken off of Vega's group termination. Awse plays almost everyday, and here you are, talking about HIS level of activity? What a load of shit. Way to totally miss the point. Did I say Aws in my statement. Read again: Wildcard23 wrote ... Nope. Aws isn't there. Some people wasn't directed at AWs but good job again at trying to spin it to what you want again Goose. Read the posts, no one said anything about Aws' activity level as we all know he is in there all the time.It's only recently in the same way that some people who have BARELY been active on forums or in FTC are all of a sudden flooding back to the website and the server after threat of a termination thread. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... Yeah, so hop in your cruiser and grab any random fool off of the street. Lock him in jail for a few years then say, "We haven't charged you with anything, we don't have any evidence against you and we are not going to give you a fair trial, but someone alleged you are in the wrong so we'll keep you behind bars so we can watch you and you can prove to us that you are a decent citizen so we might let you go." Flawless logic Wild. For a college student, you really fail at attempting to create analogies which directly relates back to your shit logic. Once again, when did we become the US court system? BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... When you deliberate, take into account evidence and motives. Think independently en route to making an informed decision. Awse is still a member if [FT] and he is considered equal with the same rights as the rest of us have. Realize that before setting a precedent. Once again with the court system. This is a gaming community not a court system. People are in this community because the other members like having them around and playing with them. Therefore, if you aren't liked you will not be in the community. Is that simple enough logic for you to follow? Realize that before setting a precedent. I don't know if you purely just like to argue with people who you will never meet in real life because it allows you to flex your e-cock or have grand aspirations to one day be the King/Queen by spending time to get to the top. I don't know if you find this relaxing way to get away from your college work or you are just pissed off that your actions and consequences with Omni. But let's get something straight, if this is your way to try and "come" after me for you banning Omni, then get the fuck over it. I didn't think it was Omni that night but YOU pushed the button. I wasn't standing over you holding your finger down on the key to ban him. YOU made that decision independently. I manned up and talked to Alex the next day saying that I didn't think it was Omni but was wrong to allow you to ban him as I was responsible for my part in advising I didn't think it was him. I continued by talking to Omni and apologizing for my part. From what I hear, you avoided the whole subject by not talking to either the server owner or the other op. Have you even apologized to Omni for your actions or do you just expect it to be gone and forgotten? If this is just your way of looking to debate someone then take that bull out of here and join a debate club. This has been a tremendous drain on my time that I should have and could have used far better than this. This is a learning experience and I'm done with "debating" you. Move on to your next target. In regards to Aws, there are people that didn't like him in the community. They moved to vote him out of FT but instead you took shots at the framework for the vote and went after me for an e-debate. Get over yourself. The same way that Canoe got voted out of the clan because people didn't like him in FT for what he said about FT is the same as Aws being proposed for termination since people don't like him. It was brought up and the vote doesn't look like it's going to carry so the community as a whole has spoken, live another day, move on, and stop creating more e-drama. Maybe instead of taking all this time to start a debate could have been better spent refining a more in-depth camping policy like Alex wants for FTC to address these issues before they keep happening. Don't worry about it though. Some of the other members are working on it as we speak. **EDIT -- F'in hate when someone posts ahead of me while I'm writing a novel. I'll read this shit later.** Edited Mon Oct 29 2007, 11:19PM |
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Guys, this isn't court. Who cares? If he gets terminated, he gets terminated. No need for these long ass books for fuck sake. |
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Joined: Fri Feb 23 2007, 07:00AMPosts: 176 |
CS *Community Clan, otherwise I'd find your balance totally legit. However, I find community encourages more forum participation than server, being that posting gay pictures (fetus) or talking about the penguins(night) is more open and community-like than putting a bullet in someone's head(me>steel..every round). My thread wasn't meant to be a thorough termination, just to get some people off the roster who havent been around in forever. Those lacking forum participation and overall community value (Aws[to some], Drippy, etc) were seemingly going to go on a different thread, not posted by me. Some of us prefer nostalgia over community standards, no doubt, and that is where one of the great rifts in the clan exists. Lets try and keep this civil, ladies. This is turning into the floor of the US senate.. |
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The All-Cum Diet
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Joined: Mon Dec 05 2005, 04:55PMPosts: 1888 |
mdogg1108 wrote ... Who cares? Not me. I voted, but my interest ends there. I have better shit to do...like having a long cry over my Redskins getting fucking raped and infected with HIV Sunday afternoon. Edited Mon Oct 29 2007, 11:54PM |
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Meteor 2016
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Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
Vincent Vega wrote ... CS *Community Clan, otherwise I'd find your balance totally legit. However, I find community encourages more forum participation than server, being that posting gay pictures (fetus) or talking about the penguins(night) is more open and community-like than putting a bullet in someone's head(me>steel..every round). My thread wasn't meant to be a thorough termination, just to get some people off the roster who havent been around in forever. Those lacking forum participation and overall community value (Aws[to some], Drippy, etc) were seemingly going to go on a different thread, not posted by me. Some of us prefer nostalgia over community standards, no doubt, and that is where one of the great rifts in the clan exists. Lets try and keep this civil, ladies. This is turning into the floor of the US senate.. You forgot my new haircut. I'm in the fuckin' zone chief. Yes I agree with you Vincent. All this has turned into is a massive shitstorm of angry essay exchanges, and I feel (As well as Vega, we had an X Fire convo about this earlier) like if the clan is splitting into two pieces. This is something that should be taken care of. You can tell that people like Fetus have lost interest in shit like this as all he posts is gay nostalgia anymore. We should just learn to forgive. It doesn't appear like the termination thread is going to pass vote anyways, so I'm sure that Awes can learn from his mistakes. I think we have blown this way out of proportion, as with a bunch of other threads. Aren't we happy when we all gather up and have a good shotty night or just a regular night in FTC or in FTS? The forums are a turn-off for some because of shit like this. We don't need this. Terminations for disliking of members. Come the hell on. We should leave things like these for extremely bad misconduct or prolonged absences with no explanation. Many people may feel that Awes is not a fit member but a few threads (Which I myself do not necessarily agree with) should not lead to a termination of a longtime member such as Awes. As I had said before, he can learn from his mistakes. I'm sure if he had any lack of interest in FT, he would have resigned by now. Instead he put a simple 'no' showing that he does still in fact show interest in the clan. And I think if I was Awes I would increase my forum participation and lighten up on the admin abuse claims as most of the time admins are very lenient about camping. I also found it very ironic that the person that made the termination thread has had problems with camping back window before, and I have discussed that with people over X Fire. But if you have beef, please, refrain from posting it on the forums. That is what X Fire is for. Bubble and Alex would resolve and have resolved conflicts that they have had in the past over X Fire so why not everyone else implement that idea? (Sorry Alex for using you as an example, I know how you hate it so much  )I know that probably a large percentage of people are just going to blow this post off, but I don't want to see a so called "Community" spewing flames and insults at each other. This ain't who we are. We're FT bitch. And it's time that we act like a community and stop the bullshit. Because I sure as hell do not like the drama, and neither does anyone else. |
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Awse is a longtime member. he never complains and is a great admin, anyone who has beef with him most likely provoked it first. | ||
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WAHT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL THREADS? | ||
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Anal Assassin
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Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
flame wars. Final Battle. FIGHT! |
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