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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
night, i hate how your opinion follows the opinion of the church. I bet you're anti-abortion too. noname: I'm actually very close with a gay friend, and he's weirded out more times than i am when we have a close encounter. Also: yeah, retarded is a scientific term... i don't know why people would be offended by it... 5 doller: wow that sucks. lol... having to ALWAYS be politically correct to the T... elmatador: i fixed it so that it looks like you posted that without being anonymous. |
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Meteor 2016
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Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
nostie wrote ... night, i hate how your opinion follows the opinion of the church. I bet you're anti-abortion too.. I guess that bothers you that I think for others. So, let me see here again. Remember when I said that you didn't think murdering was wrong? Well that's what abortion is. Murdering someone that was never given a chance to live because you fucked up in the first place. If taking an innocent life is your bag, then go ahead, do it, have fun sitting in hell though. If there is no heaven and hell, I seriously hope the maggots eat out your damn skull because abortion is a crock of shit. Yes, I do follow churches alot because I have alot of faith. I went through alot of shit and have found that my faith is the only thing that has kept me alive. I still do have alot of fun in life and that makes me greatful, but I would never take a little baby's life because I was too careless and fucked up. I don't even know how you could think of doing something so fucking stupid. If you ever seen the riots with guns and shit outside of an abortion clinic I'd be the one with the gun aiming right at the doctors head because he's the souless person that deserves to die. I wouldn't be surprised if you made a whole thread on abortion too, and I would probably be the first one to respond to it to tell you right away that it's wrong. You said that I believe that because I'm a brainwashed moral person, but for fucks sake, think about it. You're taking an innocent person's life over simple pleasure you had for one night. How Goddamn selfish is that? If you're for abortion Nostie, wow. All I can ask is what in God's name is wrong with you? I can understand that if someone was raped and had no money to take care of the baby, but at least try and put it up for adoption instead of killing it. I'm glad that they're putting laws and people are signing documents around the state against abortion. It will soon be illegal in most if not all states and by God I'm all for it. Any person that has a heart or a soul should be for it, and the last couple of threads that you have written Nostie lead me to believe you have no heart at all. Your beliefs are utterly ridiculous and bullshit. |
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Joined: Wed Jan 31 2007, 12:55AMPosts: 64 |
I basically agree with everything nightrider said, hes so right about the abortion...and the only time I might be sympathetic is if someone got raped..but even then Im not FOR abortion..but Id never shoot a doctor either....he unlike a fetus might have a family and dependants..so killing a doctor defeats the WHOLE purpose of being an anti abortionist. but other than that..Id rather follow a church than being controled by media. | ||
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The Original MilfHunter
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Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
Stepping away from the Abortion debate and back on track with the Gay Marriage issue... I just think that I should point out the obvious. A gay dude or a lesbo chick can marry,,,, someone from the opposite sex. LoL. Just because you are gay, that doesn't deny you the right to enter into a marriage 'between one man and one woman' with someone from the opposite sex. Some gay people choose not to marry a person from the opposite sex, so marriage just isn't in the cards for you. Deal with it. Many straight people go through life unmarried, its not a requirement to be declared 'human'. Those who feel they want a family life and want to reproduce under the classification of marriage can do so under the current definition. The point of marriage is to start a family and reproduce, not just to get your kicks in the bedroom, kinky style. What's the point of marrying 2 dudes? They want to engage in sodomy or kiss, then obviously you don't need to be married in order to do that and quite frankly, being gay is not illegal so 2 concenting adults can do what they choose with eachother. Why succumb to pressure from minorities about adapting laws? Laws are put in place by the sovereign and enforced by the government as a way of allowing the general will of the people to be realized. You can say that our social contract is based on 'the greatest amount of happiness for the most people'. Allowing gay marriage as an institution opens the door for allowing other minorities to demand... Polygamy. One dude with multiple wives is essentially adultery and serves no purpose within our social contract. Is this a preference or an orientation? Either way, it is a blatant attempt to circumvent the general will and poke fun at the ideals behind having a family in the first place. Zoophilia or for lack of a better term, Be(a)stiality which is a person loving a non-human animal. This could very well be an orientation as well and given that animals don't have any CIVIL rights, whats preventing a man from marrying a sheep? Or the 'beastial bigamist' from marrying a herd of sheep? The slippery slope effect is clear. What about the 30's male wanting to marry a minor girl (like a 12 yr old), allowing a varied definition to include gays in marriage might read, "Marriage is between one person and another". Only a matter of time until every minority preference/orientation decides that they want recognotion too. Marriage is between one man and one woman and if you don't fit in, then marriage is not the hand that was dealt to you. Gay people don't want to feel like deviants or outcasts, and that's understandable. But fighting for marriage would suddenly introduce a burst of normalcy into the way other people view them. Being gay is en vogue as of late and that's fine. The Church preaches Tolerance so I personally see people as people, and not their preference/orientation, gender, race, etc... I do fail to see why Gay Marriage is linked to Gay Rights given that a gay person can marry... someone from the opposite sex. Is a gay person being 'denied' the right to marry? Under the current definition, no. Are we as a collective 'denied' the ability to marry whatever and however many living creatures we desire, sure. Why? Because its the general will of the people to which the laws are in place for the purpose of protecting the majorities interests. |
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PM Posts: 3167 |
nice response, goose... but you didn't say anything about the rights that the gays get when they marry... the whole deal with healthcare, and if one of them were to die, the other inherits... Nightrider: a fetus is not a "someone"... it's a developing human. The only sense I'm worried about is their sense of feel. if it hurts them, then I'm against it only for that reason. One of my friends was almost aborted. instead he was adopted. I'm very glad that he wasn't aborted, because he's a very intelligent person. But what's the difference? if he was aborted, he would have never gone through the experiences he's been though, his existance just would have been denied him... just as every menstrual cycle that a woman goes through, an egg is denied life, because it is not inseminated. Edited Sat Feb 24 2007, 05:12PM |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PM Posts: 3503 |
nostie wrote ... Nightrider: a fetus is not a "someone"... it's a developing human. The only sense I'm worried about is their sense of feel. if it hurts them, then I'm against it only for that reason. One of my friends was almost aborted. instead he was adopted. I'm very glad that he wasn't aborted, because he's a very intelligent person. But what's the difference? if he was aborted, he would have never gone through the experiences he's been though, his existance just would have been denied him... just as every menstrual cycle that a woman goes through, an egg is denied life, because it is not inseminated. But the fetus is a developing person that deserves a life to live. You're basically taking that away from them. Sure, they're just a fetus but they were meant to have a life and to simply just kill them and take that freedom away is fucking bullshit. What do female eggs have to do with a fetus, a growing human? Eggs are just cells that plainly weren't used in the fertilization process. A bad comparison. What if that baby was born to change the world? Could you imagine if someone like Thomas Edison or someone like that was aborted? I say that nobody should have to be denied their existence and right to live, and I'll stick with my opinion until I die. |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PM Posts: 1592 |
nostie wrote ... nice response, goose... but you didn't say anything about the rights that the gays get when they marry... the whole deal with healthcare, and if one of them were to die, the other inherits... Yeah, those 'rights' are reserved for married couples because it shows the importance of a family structure whereby a man and a woman join to become one. Hence, it makes sense for the crossover of goods from one partner to another. Likewise, the current definition of marriage allows anyone (over 18) to get married to someone of the opposite sex who wants to marry them. Gay marriage is basically special interest to a relatively small group of people which harms the greater good. If I and a group of my friends decided to stand outside of government buildings to petition and rant about how the posted speed limits are too slow and showed that my 'orientation' was towards faster speeds on roadways, then I'd be in the same boat as gay people. Likewise, after years of debates and gaining support, if some States decided to amend speed laws to take into account my group's orientation and thus removed limits as a whole,,, the result would be more accidents on the roads. Just because a small group of people demand that a law be changed, it doesn't mean that it is in the interests of society as a whole. The point I'm trying to make is that any minority of like minded individuals feels the need to challenge any law because the laws are meant to please the majority. Every law will have a minority (of people) who do not agree with it because that minority places more importance on their own preferences rather than the greater good of the general will. For society to thrive and for everyone to have an equal chance at happiness, the general will of everyone has to be placed ahead of the personal wills of each individual. If we neglect the general will and focus squarely on personal ambitions, then we will revert back to the 'state of nature' where Hobbes wrote that life will be "nasty, brutish and short" and we will be in a constant state of warre for limited resources. We enter into a social contract with each other and 'give up' certain rights and decide to be governed as a way to ensure that we will not harm each other and as a way of actualizing the general will of the sovereign. Anyway... Again, I'm Canadian and I'm used to universal access to healthcare. I suppose in the US, there is a bunch of stuff regarding HMO's and a two tier distribution of resources/services. Regardless, Gay people should petition HMO providers to recognize 'common law couples' if they want to seek the benefits of transferable healthcare coverage, and not challenge the definition of marriage just because they don't fit into it. In terms of accidental or unexpected death,,, I'm not an expert on Life Insurance but I'm under the impression that if you choose to take on a policy, then you can name whomever you choose to be the beneficiary incase the unforseen happens. Most people choose their spouse but if you are a single parent and you have a young child that is still completely dependant on you and you work a dangerous job, then you can take on an insurance policy and name your child as the beneficiary incase something were to happen, the policy would payout to the child. If my assumptions are sound, then there is nothing stopping a gay person from naming his gay partner as the beneficiary. Joint bank accounts could take care of assets that are aquired while living and either partner can withdraw from. A Living Will, or a classic will, or Power of Attorney can all be granted to a gay person's 'life partner' with relative ease. The point is, there is no need to succumb to minority objections regarding the laws that dictate how the majority want to live. nostie wrote ... Nightrider: a fetus is not a "someone"... it's a developing human. The only sense I'm worried about is their sense of feel. if it hurts them, then I'm against it only for that reason. So you think its OK to kill developing humans? A 2yr old is a 'developing human', is it OK to kill a toddler because they are developing? A child is still dependant on its parents (mother) regardless if its in the whomb or in a stroller. Sense of feel eh?? So its OK to kill a child up until the nerves develop around 4-5 weeks after conception? -[link]- After that they can feel so you can't harm them right? nostie wrote ... One of my friends was almost aborted. instead he was adopted. I'm very glad that he wasn't aborted, because he's a very intelligent person. But what's the difference? if he was aborted, he would have never gone through the experiences he's been though, his existance just would have been denied him... just as every menstrual cycle that a woman goes through, an egg is denied life, because it is not inseminated. You just said that you're glad that he wasn't aborted. That's the idea right,,, it makes more sense to allow life to live and take its course rather than cutting it short. Noob, science has shown that life begins at Conception, not birth. When the jizz & egg meet, that's life. |
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LOL! This is my first time posting anything on the web, lol anywhere and i guess ill say something about this gay stuff. I want to know why they -choose- to be gay, i mean wth(LMAO). Just think if it got out of control.... mankind would fall(lol!). I also agree with NoName about being uncomfortable around them because what if they are checking out ur ass!? Well , this was fun and short, maybe ill post more often.(WOOOOOOT!) +Luv From 3stripe+ |
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wut up stripe! make an intro/sign up on forums man! | ||
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PM Posts: 3167 |
make an abortion topic if you want to talk about it. I agree with many of your points on this, goose, but i also disagree with how much you exaggerate the effect it will have upon society... beastiality was a stretch as well... it's 2:00 AM... give me a break. (i normally comment more on what people say) |
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