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doctorphate
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Been crazy busy, decided to go back to school for Cisco certifications and computer networking. That and working is taking up all my time since I cant afford to go to school without working. | ||
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FT Classic Op
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Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
You guys know I just can't stay away from such a juicy topic. Apologies up front... I got a bit carried away with this post. gLiTch wrote ... Also, lead admins, from my understanding, are people who do in fact get shit done. We are the "go to" people for issues regarding the clan I realize that you have already replied in this thread and mentioned mixing up FT Classic Lead Admin and FT responsibilities. That said, I still think you should spend less time on clan business (and I also apply the same criticism to myself, FYI) and more time on server-specific issues. gLiTch wrote ... and from what i have been experiencing lately, there are indeed no issues. Nobody has come to me about anything serious and forums when i check them are all in order. I delete spam when i see it and move threads when people create them in wrong places. The only issue we have had with the clan thus far is the whole "vote discussion" thingy. That is not my responsibility to make better the system since i personally feel it is not too shabby. That power is left up to the clan as a whole so until clan members decide there is something better, i will sit back, keep the peace, talk to people and enjoy the game, all while making sure the clan rules are followed. As already mentioned, the text above misses the point about FT Classic issues... gLiTch wrote ... LA's were called out by Alex about the MoTD not being done or put together right away. Ironically, we couldnt even get an MoTD to work until that very same day. I dont care honestly, as we had the regulations set up within 48 hours... but as LA's we do not have to sit, think up scenarios, and create rules and regulations all day (aside from the mandatory server rules and regs). That is not our job as far as i am concerned. Even more ironically, an admin policy that wasn't cleared with the server operators was declared last month. That wasn't the best example of communication among Ops and LAs, but you do realize there's more to server policy than just codifying that admins need to warn people before they kick or ban them, right? Where were the policies about CT camping? What happened to Goose's 20 second shot-clock? (I'll come back to this specific item later) What about recruiting and hostage killing and all of the other shit? These are things that you could have been discussing before we launched the GO server. Hell, most of the policies, if not all, would have been applicable when the Source server was still functional. I appreciate the effort of listing rules/policies/etc that was provided by b4ndito here: -[link]- ...but that's not half the material that we used to have on the old (like 2008 old) FT Classic MOTD. You can look through all of the old FT Classic posts (as far back as 2006) in this forum and you can see what a lot of the material worth mentioning is. I looked through the forums last month and I believe Knight did as well; more as a memory lane thing for me, but it's worth doing to understand what gameplay and policy issues have come up in the past. gLiTch wrote ... I will take requests from people. I will review demo's. I will make sure clan rules are followed. I will advertise when i am playing (as i always do with some comical gestures), and I will keep the forums organized and civil. That is my job. I get messages here and there from clan members about small issues and I always take care of them. No complaints on my end. Not very inspiring comments from a leader and, as already mentioned, not really on topic. gLiTch wrote ... Also, i know this thread isnt an attack against anyone Mark... i just felt like i needed to put this out there for everyone to see what we 3 Amigo's do. If my understanding is "off" about what an LA in FT actually is, then please educate me. I always thought FT was a self-driven community. Goose was a good fit as an FT Classic Lead Admin. We had our problems, but his 20 second CT shot-clock idea is one of the best examples of someone coming up with a solution that allowed us to move on from an issue that was pretty fucking annoying (especially if you played with Bubble Goose) problem. If I recall, he wasn't even an admin or FT member at the time, but he gave a shit about the environment we played in and he was busy thinking of ways to improve it. What are you doing to lead? What suggestions are you making to improve FT Classic? It appears to me that you've set very low expectations for yourself and you're meeting and, if you factor in the work you've done for the FT Community Clan, then you are definitely exceeding your own expectations. Congrats. How does that make you a leader by setting the bar low? Why are the lead admins not teaching the other FT Classic admins how to be admins? Or how to run admin commands, for that matter? I made a thread giving some pointers. Nothing too hard, it's mainly just a link to the first post you see when you google for "sourcemod admin commands": -[link]- You may also notice that I posted a little hint which read: "It would be helpful if someone here were to type up a quick tutorial for the basic commands to kick, ban, admin chat, etc." It's ironic how the two other Amigos managed to respond with... uh... pretty unhelpful information. Certainly not a tutorial how to use basic admin commands! And, hey, while we're talking about non-FT Classic stuff that you're good at, why is the admin policy is not even sticky'ed in this forum? Remember this thread about jumpstarting 925? -[link]- That would have been an awesome opportunity to get people interested in office again. The point of starting that thread was to show that there are ways many of us can contribute and generate interest in FT Classic. I wasn't looking at you start it back up, but you made sure that I had to approval to...uh... hijack 925, even though I quit? I really don't get it, man. I'm not upset at you, or even disappointed. Mainly I'm just baffled at why you seem confident that you're a lead admin and that you're doing a reasonable job. There are other people who aren't even admins who have provided more feedback, testing, and support for FT Classic than you have. I'm not trying to upset you by saying this, but I see this as your fellow community members exceeding the expectations that you, a lead admin, have placed on yourself. There isn't a rulebook for how to be an operator or a lead admin. Most of this shit is made up, and I am very well aware that this all revolves around a computer game. That said, I take pride in most of what I do. I also allow myself a (hopefully?) healthy amount of stress as to whether I'm doing enough to satisfy the informal demands that are placed on me; stress from you guys and stress I place on myself. What I don't see is much stress being placed on lead admins; either by themselves or by anyone. This makes me question why we even have lead admins in the first place. Mark and I thought we need lead admins but I'm not really sure anymore. Having a pool admins, all of whom can chip in at more-or-less their convenience seems like a better approach. I don't have the final say, though, so I will defer to Mark. I also want to stress the fact that I do not mean you (Glitch), peacebypeice, or b4ndito any grief over this. You are good people in my book and we've all got real life to contend with--moving, job hunting, etc. Sorry for the long post. Thanks if you actually read it! Edited Tue Aug 28 2012, 12:13AM |
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Jesus not HeyZeus
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Joined: Mon Jul 31 2006, 03:49AMPosts: 332 |
I think I forgot to mention that another reason I used to love to come around is reading long posts by Alex...always made me laugh and/or had much food for thought/good points Edited Tue Aug 28 2012, 01:03AM | ||
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Joined: Tue Dec 06 2005, 01:37AMPosts: 1561 |
Great post, Alex. Seeing all of these passionate in-depth replies regarding FTC has certainly made an impact on my motivation to play. | ||
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Anal Assassin
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Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
Alex i do miss your long posts lol. Listen, i have provided feedback in your posts since you started working on the GO server 5 weeks or so ago. Others have chimed in too and i am very grateful. I will be the first to say that yes, maybe im a bit on the defensive and there is definitely room for improvement. I am still new to this LA shit and im learning on the GO. Patience please! As far as making a thread about basic SM commands...great idea. I just gotta learn them and memorize them. I havent had much time to play as of late and i look forward to getting back into this a bit more. I am just as busy with RL as the next guy (unemployed and trying to get into a Local Union....next to impossible even with resources). The pool admin idea is not a bad one. I always thought however, this was what we were close to always having. Usually a bunch of admins throwing forth their opinions and the LA's executing them. Sort of like Congress and the Executive branch (terrible analogy i know). Maybe with more time (and the summer ending) i will be on more to notice little things that i can improve. I do appreciate the constructive criticism though. |
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FT Classic Op
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Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
gLiTch wrote ... Alex i do miss your long posts lol. Listen, i have provided feedback in your posts since you started working on the GO server 5 weeks or so ago. Others have chimed in too and i am very grateful. I will be the first to say that yes, maybe im a bit on the defensive and there is definitely room for improvement. I am still new to this LA shit and im learning on the GO. Patience please! I'm not saying that you haven't participated! What I'm saying is that you've pledged a level of responsibility that should exceed what other non-LAs or regulars are doing, and I don't believe you've followed through on that commitment. It doesn't mean you're a bad guy or that I think you have never ever done anything useful. You are a dedicated FT member and your commitment to the new FT Constitution proves that! I think you've aimed a little too high on your commitment to FT Classic and now it's time to either step up or step aside. gLiTch wrote ... As far as making a thread about basic SM commands...great idea. I just gotta learn them and memorize them. I havent had much time to play as of late and i look forward to getting back into this a bit more. I am just as busy with RL as the next guy (unemployed and trying to get into a Local Union....next to impossible even with resources). You should have been at the forefront of learning about SourceMod commands and teaching others about them. You should lead! I've dropped clues that Mani was not going to be an option (at the time, who the fuck knows now, and I don't care--Mani is crap as far as I'm concerned) when I was beta testing. I don't expect people to hang on my every word, but if you are an admin, not even a lead admin, and have any intention of being a part of the GO server then you (and every other admin) should have been paying attention. gLiTch wrote ... The pool admin idea is not a bad one. I always thought however, this was what we were close to always having. Usually a bunch of admins throwing forth their opinions and the LA's executing them. Sort of like Congress and the Executive branch (terrible analogy i know). Maybe with more time (and the summer ending) i will be on more to notice little things that i can improve. I do appreciate the constructive criticism though. Not the best analogy but it will work. Not sure about the "[noticing] little things" comment. This isn't an easter egg hunt, dude! To be honest, I'm upset that I even have to bring up issues like "why the fuck do our admins not know how to use any admin commands at all?" It's not about paying attention to little things at all--it's about identifying very obvious problems that I shouldn't have to point out. In fact, I didn't point it out at all. It was a non-admin who identified the problem: our admins don't know how to do anything. Where was that group of admins combining their shared knowledge about how to run basic admin commands? Anyways, I'm going to stop now. I hope you dig what I'm putting down, and very little editing was done with this post... sorry! |
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I KILL YOU!!!!
Registered Member #2428
Joined: Sat Jul 07 2012, 04:06AMPosts: 107 |
i know im new to the clan to i will keep it short. From what i've seen the LA's do their jobs when they are online and playing, i've called in bandito and glitch before, for shit that happens in office. I know for sure those 2 spam the damn sever when they play about the forums and im talking SPAM!!!. but that's just server side. i dont know what happens on the forums that often that will need a LA to take care off. We all have shit going on right now it seems like but hey that happens to be life. Just like me i was playing what 10-15 hours a day on the office server and now bc of work im getting what maybe 30 min if im lucky. Its just how it goes, yea there are times you get assholes on the forums and the server and the admins aren't around because of work/drinking (glitch) or what ever. I don't see a problem with or LA's just life has gotten to them. Im Sure they do a good job when they are around. Why point fingers that doesn't solve a fucking thing in this world and i know all of you know this. So how about this lets come up with a solution and fix the problem instead of just telling people what they aren't doing. Maybe make a thread about lead admin responsibilities and define what they should be doing i don't know. any ways that's what i got to say, have a wonderful day yall. |
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Meteor 2016
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Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
Fishermans_cove wrote ... i know im new to the clan to i will keep it short. From what i've seen the LA's do their jobs when they are online and playing, i've called in bandito and glitch before, for shit that happens in office. I know for sure those 2 spam the damn sever when they play about the forums and im talking SPAM!!!. but that's just server side. i dont know what happens on the forums that often that will need a LA to take care off. We all have shit going on right now it seems like but hey that happens to be life. Just like me i was playing what 10-15 hours a day on the office server and now bc of work im getting what maybe 30 min if im lucky. Its just how it goes, yea there are times you get assholes on the forums and the server and the admins aren't around because of work/drinking (glitch) or what ever. I don't see a problem with or LA's just life has gotten to them. Im Sure they do a good job when they are around. Why point fingers that doesn't solve a fucking thing in this world and i know all of you know this. So how about this lets come up with a solution and fix the problem instead of just telling people what they aren't doing. Maybe make a thread about lead admin responsibilities and define what they should be doing i don't know. any ways that's what i got to say, have a wonderful day yall. The answer to this is they do know what they're supposed to be doing. I listed their responsibilities in my initial thread calling for them to step up. We have repeated it numerous times and expressed what we need them to do. The problem is that nobody is taking initiative, and we keep having issues here and there popping up. Yes, these guys did that when they were in the CS:S server, but I am seeing none of that in the CS:GO server, otherwise we would be getting results. It worked in Source because they actually were doing it! (That is why you are here.) The point of this thread isn't because we need someone in the server to take care of assholes. That was an issue and now it's resolved. Now we need people to learn admin, to recruit better, and to take initiative on covering certain aspects of running the server. This isn't an issue with the community, this is an issue with Fish Tank Classic (which is why it is in this sub-forum! Go figure.) We need leadership in there and quite frankly, it's kind of not there. |
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I KILL YOU!!!!
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Joined: Sat Jul 07 2012, 04:06AM Posts: 107 |
yes knight i know that im here because of that lol. SO you want the LA's more or less to help with running the server thats understandable since alco has been busting his ass off to get the CSGO server up and running. So why not ask the LA instead of pointing them out making them look like dumbasses. yea recruiting is always a awesome thing for anything clan or real life business but you dont need LA's to recurit, hell when iwas wearing the community tag AquariumFish another one of glitches ides. people would ask how to i join FT, i told them the forums now did they go probably not. anyways im gona go sit in the cs go server by my self for a bit and shoot at walls because they cant kill me ;p lol |
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Meteor 2016
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Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PM Posts: 3503 |
Fishermans_cove wrote ... yes knight i know that im here because of that lol. SO you want the LA's more or less to help with running the server thats understandable since alco has been busting his ass off to get the CSGO server up and running. So why not ask the LA instead of pointing them out making them look like dumbasses. yea recruiting is always a awesome thing for anything clan or real life business but you dont need LA's to recurit, hell when iwas wearing the community tag AquariumFish another one of glitches ides. people would ask how to i join FT, i told them the forums now did they go probably not. anyways im gona go sit in the cs go server by my self for a bit and shoot at walls because they cant kill me ;p lol We aren't making them look like dumbasses though. We're just asking for them (or someone!) to take initiative (see Alex's thread about trust groups.) If you want to be a part of that, knock yourself out. Any help is necessary, whether you're new or not. The Lead Admins are supposed to foster the lemmings (you guys), train the admins (I was assuming that these guys already knew what they were doing with admin), enforce policies in-game (we still don't have a well-defined MOTD in my opinion, there needs to be more discussion about camping, what is allowed and not allowed in the server, etc.), and figure out shit such as, does alltalk need to be enabled? Do we want to create an environment where everyone shits a nugget when they die because they want to win or do we want to create an environment where someone takes a shit on their computer chair and people laugh out of sheer inebriation (I like the latter.) We started something that we weren't necessarily ready for, and some of that is my fault for rushing into things. There is just too much that is eventually finding its way back to the OPs, mainly Alex, and it's unfair, especially with the amount of time that he's put into the servers. The way that nobody is taking any initiative is kind of reflecting that back on us (again, mainly Alex). See where I'm going with this? |
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