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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
I need your help to determine more definite guidelines for both administrator responsibilities as well as punishable behavior on FTC and FTC2. These are the two most important (yet ambiguous) concepts that that I would like for administrators to keep in mind at all times: * Promote a modest, yet entertaining, environment for yourself and others by prioritizing administrative actions that yield positive results. The underlying goals are to sustain a high player count as well as encourage the participation of "regular" players who positively contribute to our server(s). * Work as a team with other admins and seek advice from senior admins if possible. If admins do not work well together then they are expected to resolve disputes on their own and preferably out-of-game. Senior admins are also expected to consider the suggestions of junior admins. The above is general and open-ended. Please elaborate on additional responsibilities or your critisicm of the above. Also, I need definitions for the following: * Team Stacking * Hacking * Intentional and Repeated TK/FF * Non-Objective Camping * Admin or Clan Member Impersonation * Disruptive Communication * Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning * Disruptive Sprays I know that some of the above has been discussed, at length, in previous posts but we need to come to some sort of a concensus about what types of situations and behavior all admins should be vigilant. Specifics are not the goal (if you shoot a teammate down to this health, then this should automatically happen, if you throw this many smokes at spawn then this should happen, etc) -- I want to come up with general guidelines which should apply to all admins and are easily understood by players. Please feel free to contribute other "punishable behavior" that is not included in the list above. What I have provided is by no means complete and I need the help of fellow FT to finish this. Thanks! |
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| Kalibur |
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Registered Member #101
Joined: Thu Dec 29 2005, 01:04AMPosts: 578 |
alexh wrote ... * Team Stacking * Hacking * Intentional and Repeated TK/FF * Non-Objective Camping * Admin or Clan Member Impersonation * Disruptive Communication * Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning * Disruptive Sprays 1. If a team is stacked then an admin should take it upon them to help and or fix the teams! If there are 5 administrator’s on the server don’t wait for someone to say “hey the teams are stacked someone do something†or don’t wait for a higher admin to tell you to fix it, if you’re an admin then you should know when a team is stacked (NOTE) when you’re an admin its not always about score sometimes you must join spec or take a few kills just to help the server with team balance. Also fetus once said and I quote “giving cash and health is like a Band-Aid†yes you can give health or cash but in the end the teams are still STACKED 2. If there is a player who is hacking then like Alex said work as a team as your fellow admins what they think about the player. Talk about it using admin talk not admin say and don’t always accuse someone of hacking I and many other players I know can go like 40 kills and 7 deaths its skill and somewhat luck so don’t always just to the conclusion that there’s a player hacking. Now if you have talked with your fellow admins and you all agree that a player is hacking then don’t think twice about banning this player if they hack on our servers then we don’t want them here 3. TK/FF well I just look at it this way you purposely TK then you’re a fucking idiot and I say we should just make a little guide to this .1 warn .2 slay .3 kick .4 warn .5 ban Same with FF if there doing it then there a dumb ass 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn 5. Ban alexh wrote ... Specifics are not the goal (if you shoot a teammate down to this health, then this should automatically happen, if you throw this many smokes at spawn then this should happen, etc) If someone TK’s a player to a health under 50 then they should be slayed and if they do it again then automatically a kick if they come back and do it again straight out ban this persons ass 4. Non-Objective Camping…. Well that’s a pain in every admins ass, I say we could do the same as TK/FF 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn 5. Slay Most of Non-Objective Camping is noobs and after a few slaps or slay’s they get the point and they stop but for the ones who keep doing it then they are the ones who you have to take extreme measure like slay, kick and ban but we don’t have that many of them (thank god) 5. Admin or Clan Member Impersonation I would just say 1. Ask them to remove it 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Ban If you’re posing as an admin then you’re asking for a fight and you’re not welcome to our servers and if you’re posing as an FT then you’re also not welcome (BYE) 6. Disruptive Communication. If there is an asshole who won’t shut up then 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn 5. Ban If you can mute then simply mute this player  7. Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning… (try to be reasonable with this person maybe they came from another office server that did not enforce this rule) 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn 5. Ban 8. Disruptive Sprays 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn 5. Ban I can’t really think of any other "punishable behavior" I’m sure I will have some later I will post then PS: What I posted above is not a perfect plan of action but it’s a start |
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| bleek |
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#woo
Registered Member #23
Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PMPosts: 665 |
Alex, not to go against how you wanna run this, this is just a suggestion, on how I handeled things on the server i had for some time (4 days =P) and how I see other servers do it, and it works out well for them This is my suggestion. You shouldn't set rules for admins, and tell them to only escalte punishment ata steady pace. Truth to the matter is with so many assholes and turds out there, you should as Op, pick people for admin, who you can trust with their best judgement. That beaing said, I mean you should let admins decide what the best punishment for the given rule breaker is. Each situation has different circumstances, and setting rules for admins, only allows turds to find loop holes, and break rules, and annoy the hell outta everyone. With that outta the way here are some of the definitions you wanted. Team Stacking - purposefully, joining the winning team, and/or joining a team with more players the the opposite. Hacking - using any kinds of hacks/exploits/illegal scripts that put up an unfair disadvatage to other players. (ex. Aim Bot, Speed Hack, No Recoil) Intentional and Repeated TK/FF - Shooting members of your team, in a non friendly manner, to annoy the teammate, over and over, even after beign asked to stop. Non- Objective Camping - Camping in one spot for more then 20 seconds, in a way that is not supporting the final objective of the map. Admin or Clan Member Impersonation - claiming to be an administrator/and or a member of FT, when this is false. Disruptive Communication - spamming chat and/or spamming the game radio communication system. Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning - purposefully standing infront of a teammate, to prevent him/her from moving, or causing them to un-willingly TK/FF you. Disruptive Sparys - Any sprays that an individual finds offensive. If a person asks you to stop spraying it for that reason, you should stop. (ex. Gross Sex Scenes). Nade Spamming - excessively, purchasing granades, flashes, or somke granads while in spawn, and throwing them all around, or in one focused area, to disrupt gameplay. Intentionall Team Flashing - intentionally throwing a flash grande, at teammates with the intention of disruption of their game experiance. Starting Flame Wars - players shouldn't really bring up contorversial issues while playing the game. Just play. You don't need to talk about weather OJ Is a killer or not, while playing. It leades to mass spamming and players arguing and/or leaving the server. Racism - Players shouldn't say racial slurs such as "I hate Ni**ers". *NOTE* saying "wassup nigga" "peace my niggs" is not racist, how ever if someone finds it offensive, and asks you to stop, you should. Show respect for Everyone - Respect should be shown to everybody not just peopel using green text, or having the [FT] tag. Try to show respect for everyone, even the n00bies who type "nextmap". SHOW RESPECT AND BE POLITE TO EVERYONE ASSHOLES! *cough* =P Nothing more I could add. I hope this helps. Cheers! Edited Fri Dec 08 2006, 03:30AM |
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| Kalibur |
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Registered Member #101
Joined: Thu Dec 29 2005, 01:04AM Posts: 578 |
bleek wrote ... Team Stacking - purposefully, joining the winning team, and/or joining a team with more players the the opposite. Hacking - using any kinds of hacks/exploits/illegal scripts that put up an unfair disadvatage to other players. (ex. Aim Bot, Speed Hack, No Recoil) Intentional and Repeated TK/FF - Shooting members of your team, in a non friendly manner, to annoy the teammate, over and over, even after beign asked to stop. Non- Objective Camping - Camping in one spot for more then 20 seconds, in a way that is not supporting the final objective of the map. Admin or Clan Member Impersonation - claiming to be an administrator/and or a member of FT, when this is false. Disruptive Communication - spamming chat and/or spamming the game radio communication system. Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning - purposefully standing infront of a teammate, to prevent him/her from moving, or causing them to un-willingly TK/FF you. Disruptive Sparys - Any sprays that an individual finds offensive. If a person asks you to stop spraying it for that reason, you should stop. (ex. Gross Sex Scenes). Well these look great I was going to define all of them but I was making my post long as it was, I knew someone else would do it <3 |
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| Ol_Drippy |
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Registered Member #454
Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 02:42AMPosts: 42 |
All the others have been stated pretty well. However camping is one i would like to talk on. Some admins can tell if what they are doing is camping or if they have a damn good reason. Example one: Say you are a ct in back window with a few teamates and you can't seem to get past the t's. Camping? I do not believe so. If someone is having trouble or is constantly shooting or fighting in someway that is against the other team, than how is that camping? Number two: (has been touched on before) Your team keeps going one way becuase they are too stupid to realize they keep getting flanked, so you sit in a spot such as long box to knock out some of there men going to flank your team. camping? I believe if this is the only reason they are in a camping spot, and they move immediately after (assuming they live) then it shoudl not be considered as camping. number 3: You know your buddy is going to get hosties, so you stay in long hall ONLY to protect t's coming that way. camping? If they start to move once the hosties are being taken back, unless being fired upon, then no. this should not be considered camping. Although i rarely see this one. 4: You have a sniper or two in the long box to pick off the t's as they cross in main hall. The t's are moving in and out of main hall a lot. is it camping to pick them off, even if there for more than 20 seconds? I would say not. If they are there to kill the t's because they are not covering thier weakness, then why should you be slayed for that? number 5: You campin front office for no reason at all. Yes that is camping. go eat shit and die. number 6: you know you are being followed and you decide to pull in a small spot to pick them off and continue. Although harder to tell. Is this not helping yourself being protected. it is just like any other fight, except strategic. and very fun to knife if you can. I also think thier are many players out there who can easily out strategize thier opponents, but are to afraid that sitting still will getting them slay, even if it's only for 10 seconds. Thank youa dmins for doing the best you can. Hope to play with ya soon. (and even beomce one =D) |
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| alcosatz |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll respond to the above ideas later, but I would like to point out that the actual execution of punishment is not in context here. I would like to define what are our goals, as admins, and what rules do we enforce... not decide HOW we enforce those rules. Sorry there is confusion about the punishment escalation process. "The Process" is probably going away soon so let's not dwell on that. Please offer your opinions on what should be enforced by admins and not expound on the specifics of how admins enforces these rules. |
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| Wu-banga |
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Registered Member #49
Joined: Tue Dec 06 2005, 01:37AMPosts: 1561 |
Look at you guys, being all business-like and such. you know that makes me randy. | ||
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| Amped |
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Hi
Registered Member #301
Joined: Thu Jun 15 2006, 01:55AMPosts: 888 |
This is based on how I have been handling these situations: * Team Stacking: An obvious switch to the winning team, or waiting in spec for a spot on a certain team to open. * Hacking: Use of 3rd party programs that aid in a way as to give a player an unfair advantage over other players. Since there's no real test for this, it is really the admin's discretion whether or not to punish the player. For suspected hackers, I suggest always consulting another admin. If needed, even Xfire one to ask his opinion. * Intentional and Repeated TK/FF: First there's the obvious, someone who is just running around and TKing or FFing other players. I believe anyone can recognize that. Something rarely enforced though, is the retaliation to an accidental FF. If a player shoots another player by accident, the other player should not be permitted to shoot back. All it does is exascerbate the issue, and therefore it is unnecessary. * Non-Objective Camping: When a member of the non-objective team is: 1) Remaining in one spot for more than 20 seconds when moving from the spot is no great risk. For example, if a CT is in garage, which is surrounded by T's, I would gladly permit him to hide and wait for them to enter. 2) Intentionally moving slowly toward the objective as to run-down the clock. * Admin or Clan Member Impersonation: The donning of the [FT] or {F7L5} by a player who is not a current member of the clan. Also, for a player to say that he is an admin when this is a falsity. * Disruptive Communication: Defined as 1) Excessive spamming in chat, voice, or radio. 2) Excessive use of capital letters. 3) Excessive unnecessary mic chatter, specifically conversation that is not relevant to the match. 4) Yelling into the mic, or using a barely functional mic, resulting in other players not being able to understand what is being said. 5) Discrimination(this includes Racism, Antisemitism, Stereotyping of nationalities, etc.) * Obstructing Team Movement/Positioning: Defined as 1) Standing in front of doorways, blocking entrance or exit. 2) Standing on heads(without permission of the bottom person). It's hard to add anything else for this, because most "bl0x0rz" don't realize that they're blocking you. Most of the time it's an honest mistake. * Disruptive Sprays: Sprays that exhibit 1) Discrimination 2) Something unbearably disgusting(at admins discretion, and possibly the opinion of other players) 3) Omega's girlfriend The only things I have to add to this list would be throwing smoke grenades in spawn, or places where people are camping, and intentional spawn/team flashing. I also think that admins need to start a little more discussion in admin chat. Not about things that are obvious, such as camping or TKing, but things such as team stacking, not-so-obviously racist names, disruptive sprays, etc. I'll be following this thread, as I'm interested to see what everyone else says, and how Alex responds. |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
Finding a good server with a great system of admins is almost oblivious these days, and to be honest, I think we have some of the best admins around. Under these circumstances stated above, the stated course of action is the only legitamate way I see for a great server to run its course as a well maintained popular server. As for leniancy, I tend to be a little too much at times. This can cause people to carry away thinking that I'm not going to respond with a course of action, and then the whole server goes haywire. The goal of an admin is to keep a stable server where people are happy, and attract regulars to the server, much like the many that we have brought along. It's not just the basics, kick hackers, ect. It's also keeping a well maintained balance of teams, keeping it aimed towards a democracy ran environment, which some tend to disagree with. To be honest, I think the mature people are comfortable with our server, and the immature aren't. Sadly, mature people are hard to come by. The point I'm trying to make is, the above mentioned about how the rules should be enforced are what I would suggest to be done, but I suggest less chances. If you ban the person, ban them temporarily, and maybe when they come back the second time, they will learn. But please, I suggest strongly, if they do it again on their second chance, do not let them back in. In order to keep a well maintained server, you gotta keep the asshats out and the mature people in. As for the camping rule, I would have to say that the 20 second rule has worked well, but it does seem to be unpopular with new people that join our server. When an admin is yelling out to them to stop camping spawn, sometimes that will tend to make people frustrated, and leave. That ruins our chance to snag more regulars. All I'm trying to suggest is that you give a little more time for people to leave spawn. I do not like when that happens, but it would be modest to at least enforce it a few times to see how it runs. As for an admin him/herself, abuse is no excuse at all. Like I stated above, an admin is to keep a stable server running. And, as Amped had stated, it is a good idea to talk amongst other admins in order to discuss courses of action. I'll use me and Omega as an example. We will discuss team balancing issue in order to maintain equal teams, and most of the time we find ourselves swapping over to the other team. He offers help, and granted, I most of the time accept it. This is a good example of a rule that should be implied. Admin interaction is a must. The order in which these rules are established to run on is greatly influenced on opinion and it would be great to see how these rules are applied with many other's opinions. Running a server is no easy task, and it's hard to find someone that you can trust in order to help you out. I think the admins that we have right now are a good team, and the server is being ran well. It's out of my curiosity to respond to this and see what others think. |
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| kd. |
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Registered Member #75
Joined: Sat Dec 17 2005, 08:51PMPosts: 3128 |
The old classic punishment procedures. I know you will probably just skip over this post. I don't want to write an essay, so here: 1. Warn 2. Slay 3. Kick 4. Warn (If they rejoin) 5. Tell them they're being banned temp/perm 6. Ban. |
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