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FT Classic Op
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Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
So, while I'm spamming the forums with somewhat useful topics, here is one more: How about FT Classic operators delegate authority to solve particular problems to volunteers. This is contrary to having "lead admins" who have a vague set of responsibilities. Instead, we ask for volunteers to help solve a very specific problem. Consider the recent issue of needing player and admin policies on FT Classic. What if a request was put out for any admin (or any 925 member just to make things interesting!) to form a small taskforce which intended to write the aforementioned player and admin policies. That taskforce could (hopefully) get feedback from the community and formulate a solution. That solution is brought up to the Ops for approval and, once the Ops approve, they implement the solution. There are some potential problems with this, but do you think it's worth a shot? |
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FTS Server Op
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Joined: Wed Mar 01 2006, 06:33PMPosts: 2682 |
At first, I didn't know where you were heading with this. But as I read on, it started to sound like a pretty good "community discussion" started from trusted players/members to help improve the server. I think it'd be nice to give a try actually! |
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Anal Assassin
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Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
That is actually not a bad idea. It would split the workload amongst the people who, at that moment, have the time and resources to take care of it. BTW, this is in no way my way of saying i dont want to be LA...lol. I am just wanting what is best for the clan. This is an interesting idea. Sort of like a "freelance" idea or something along the lines of eLance but instead of being paid you get FT karma or something along those lines (totally imaginary karma). I would also like to hear other opinions on the matter. |
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#woo
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Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PMPosts: 665 |
Here's my two cents, but I may not know the community as well now of days. I may be completely off on my interpretation of the situation. I would warn against setting up such rigid rules for something that is a simple suggestion or matter. It seems silly to me that a player who wants to suggest a change to the server needs to form a 'task force', why not just come to the website and start a discussion on it. See how well the community here feels about it, and ask around a few people on the server as well. Why I think putting rules and policies on this sort of thing is a bad idea: most people who want to play on a server do so to have fun. They don't want to come onto a website and see it run like their job place with their requests only being considered by the higher ups after going through the proper procedures. It might curtail discussions that might otherwise be interesting. Think back to fish tank a few years ago. We didn't have a constitution or half of these policies we have now. At the time the forums always seemed to be teeming with ideas and discussions on server issues that were tackled by everyone, without a need for such guidelines. I'm not suggesting a free for all, no holds barred, but the other extreme is not good either. There is a middle ground that you should try and find with these types of things. My bottom line is this: if you make the community too much like an actual office, you will lose the people who want to otherwise shoot up an office/or rescue the hostages, whatever. (of course I am also not saying no one will find something like that fun. Perhaps some of you do, and it's why you run these things like that today) But I didn't come here to just shoot down an idea. Here is an alternative solution: Add more frequent server messages to players in game, letting them know they are welcome to make suggestions about the server on this website. Have several of those in the MOTD, and those little chat messages that pop up. Putting up a permanent news article that links to a "server policies" forum might be another good idea to guide people to the right place. Make the players know that they don't have to jump through hoops of ranks/authority figures to have their voices heard. tl;dr: I'm a cunt. |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
bleek wrote ... Here's my two cents, but I may not know the community as well now of days. I may be completely off on my interpretation of the situation. I would warn against setting up such rigid rules for something that is a simple suggestion or matter. It seems silly to me that a player who wants to suggest a change to the server needs to form a 'task force', why not just come to the website and start a discussion on it. See how well the community here feels about it, and ask around a few people on the server as well. I suggested that either an FT Classic admin or 925 member would be eligible, and changes were subject to operator approval. Seems pretty solid to me. What do you think? bleek wrote ... Why I think putting rules and policies on this sort of thing is a bad idea: most people who want to play on a server do so to have fun. They don't want to come onto a website and see it run like their job place with their requests only being considered by the higher ups after going through the proper procedures. It might curtail discussions that might otherwise be interesting. You should know that this ain't my first rodeo, sir. Please see above. bleek wrote ... Think back to fish tank a few years ago. We didn't have a constitution or half of these policies we have now. At the time the forums always seemed to be teeming with ideas and discussions on server issues that were tackled by everyone, without a need for such guidelines. I'm not suggesting a free for all, no holds barred, but the other extreme is not good either. There is a middle ground that you should try and find with these types of things. Think back to... no, there has been a Constitution or some serviceable FT voting system since 2006. The important thing is that the FT voting system has never had anything to do with FTC server operation as far as I know. Maybe I'm ignorant, but it doesn't apply, so... why bring it up? bleek wrote ... My bottom line is this: if you make the community too much like an actual office, you will lose the people who want to otherwise shoot up an office/or rescue the hostages, whatever. (of course I am also not saying no one will find something like that fun. Perhaps some of you do, and it's why you run these things like that today) But I didn't come here to just shoot down an idea. Here is an alternative solution: Add more frequent server messages to players in game, letting them know they are welcome to make suggestions about the server on this website. Have several of those in the MOTD, and those little chat messages that pop up. Putting up a permanent news article that links to a "server policies" forum might be another good idea to guide people to the right place. Make the players know that they don't have to jump through hoops of ranks/authority figures to have their voices heard. tl;dr: I'm a cunt. Yep, solid advice about adverts but we're just stupid server operators. You? Who the fuck are you other than some community member trying to tell us what to do!  Much love, bleek. I'm happy to see you around these parts again. <3 |
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#woo
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Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PM Posts: 665 |
Always happy to be back <3 Though I still can't see how this plan is different from a member or admin just starting a thread on the forums about policy/changes. When you talk about the task force, did you envision them doing more then just creating a discussion here/getting a consensus on the server? This is what it looks like to me: Task force makes idea/writes up policy in thread -> community discusses/comes to a decision -> brought to the attention of OPs. That is a fine structure if the forums were exploding with threads/posts. It seems to me like the last two steps should just be a single one. I only come on once every few days, but still see a majority if not all of the new topics. Edited Tue Aug 28 2012, 05:59AM |
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FT Classic Op
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Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
bleek wrote ... Always happy to be back <3 Though I still can't see how this plan is different from a member or admin just starting a thread on the forums about policy/changes. When you talk about the task force, did you envision them doing more then just creating a discussion here/getting a consensus on the server? As stated a few times now: operator approval required. |
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#woo
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Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PM Posts: 665 |
alcosatz wrote ... bleek wrote ... Always happy to be back <3 Though I still can't see how this plan is different from a member or admin just starting a thread on the forums about policy/changes. When you talk about the task force, did you envision them doing more then just creating a discussion here/getting a consensus on the server? As stated a few times now: operator approval required. Right, I get that, but how is you approving an idea you see in a thread different than an idea brought to you by a task force (i imagine via PM or e-mail). If you need a filter of sort so you aren't forced to read through a thread then a simpler solution is to have the head admins on the forum bring ideas that received positive feedback to your attention. I think it is crucial to keep the regular members as far away from bureaucratic-like processes. For the average CSS player it should be as simple as "make suggestion, discuss". That way you will have more people voicing their opinions. I think the end game here is to make the servers more populated by making them as fun to play for everyone as possible. So in that aspect, for your "customers" or players if they don't like the product they have two options: 1) I like this server. Let me try to change this one thing that I don't like. 2) Let me find a new server. It's for our best interest that new players pick option 1. However, if they find out that they need to go through all this trouble (not saying some won't) they are less likely to take imitative. Therefore I suggest we streamline as much as possible this whole process. I always liked CS (particular fish tank) for the community aspect of it. If we wanna stimulate the community we must make sure we're inviting in all possible ways both to existing members and to new ones coming. I think your idea is a good one if we are trying to make sure existing and committed members of the community want to take imitative. However, we must also make the door open for potential new friends. Edited Tue Aug 28 2012, 06:10AM |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
bleek wrote ... alcosatz wrote ... bleek wrote ... Always happy to be back <3 Though I still can't see how this plan is different from a member or admin just starting a thread on the forums about policy/changes. When you talk about the task force, did you envision them doing more then just creating a discussion here/getting a consensus on the server? As stated a few times now: operator approval required. Right, I get that, but how is you approving an idea you see in a thread different than an idea brought to you by a task force (i imagine via PM or e-mail). Commission is key, good sir! An operator commissions a group of people to perform a duty. The people who want to perform that duty don't... uh, commission themselves? So, yet again, it all comes down to operator approval! |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
alcosatz wrote ... bleek wrote ... alcosatz wrote ... bleek wrote ... Always happy to be back <3 Though I still can't see how this plan is different from a member or admin just starting a thread on the forums about policy/changes. When you talk about the task force, did you envision them doing more then just creating a discussion here/getting a consensus on the server? As stated a few times now: operator approval required. Right, I get that, but how is you approving an idea you see in a thread different than an idea brought to you by a task force (i imagine via PM or e-mail). Commission is key, good sir! An operator commissions a group of people to perform a duty. The people who want to perform that duty don't... uh, commission themselves? So, yet again, it all comes down to operator approval! Let me put it this way, Bleek. The way that Alex and I see things right now is simple: Shit is not getting done. Nostie's post about basic admin commands is something that was asked to be done almost two weeks ago. Ironically enough, Nostie, at the time, was a non-admin. If operational issues were voted on by normal members, we would have people like Kernell32.dll with the ability to no-clip on Tuesdays and that's just not right! My point is, the operators pretty much know how shit runs. You can all vote for something to be implemented on the server, but if we, the operators, know it is going to crash the server, that is why the request has to go to us first. Not only that, Alex knows Sourcemod code pretty much to a T. This is an idea for a group of you guys to come together so I stop making threads and getting pissed off at the Lead Admins for being MIA at a crucial time for our community. |
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