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Anal Assassin
Registered Member #455
Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
ok... Dum DUm Dum, gLiTch is here. And i knew about this topic comming along for a while and couldnt wait to respond to it. Real Quick.. I Vote let her STAY! Kever, is a very talented player. I Believe she DOESNT hack. Ive seen her on other maps and she is like as good as me.. Most of the time 2.0 kd ratio. thats AVERAGE. Even on office, when she plays CT she isnt really the "hacker" that she seems ot be. Its only on the T team that she seems so good because of the easy, "Wait for sound, pop out and shoot." It becomes a routine, and even i do it. If you still think she hacks, i wanna see proof. She isnt that "consistent" with her kdratio. She has her on and off days. As for Wildcard saying that if you ban Kever ban steel too, i agree with him. I love kever, but i hate steel for the fact that he is an asshole for some reason. Not becuase he's good, but because he's...well... and asshole lol. He shit talks. But like i said earlier, i say that KEVER should stay, as well as STEEL. They both should stay. Just because they good, and ppl bitch about it, doesnt mean they should be banned. If they dont wanna die, then they should get better. I get killed by Steel all the time. When kever plays CT, or i play CT. i get killed by Kever all the time, but i dont bitch about it. Its a game for cryin out loud. But Steel happens to be the person i kill the most according to HLstats. If Kever was in Steel's spot ont he other team, im sure id kill her as much too. Honestly, i love all you guys. But to give up on someone who is as nice as Kever, whether she hacks or not, because of you being Admin and dont wanna here reg's bitch about her, i believe is childish. Its like every other job. You dont get rid of the problem, you work with it. What happens when someone else whose good comes along, you gonna ban him too. I think bubble hacks sometimes, but i dont bitch about it. Hes just good with the scout. As for banning Kever because reg's bitch to much, i think that is also bullshit. Its a cop-out. A half-ass move. Stop giving in to ppl who bitch. The ppl who bitch over and over are the ones who should be banned for spamming. If you dont wanna here ppl bitch about her, then give me admin, i dont care, ill deal with 'em. Dont think that because she stays, Reg's will never come back. They will ALWAYS COME BACK. As Bubble stated, "Kever HAX!" is so deeply rooted in FTC. But has that changed the amount of ppl in the server, has that caused Reg's to leave? No, because if they did leave, they wouldnt be considered Reg's. As for newcomer, i dont know how to explain it. Use your god damnheads. Newcomers dont know anything about this server or anyone in it. They dont have the "Kever hax" mentality. They will prolly only think shes good. So this really comes down to the Admins not wanting to hear ppl bitch bitch. All in all, let her stay. Maby its not "fair" to newbies, but its not fair to Kever. So what she hasnt contributed to the forums, she plays hell of a lot in FTC which clearly states she likes us, our server, and our reg's. Its not fair to her to ban her. I will be very dissapointed if she gets banned. I have everything against throwing away a problem instead of working with it. P.S. Funny thing is, before i was in FT, i was accused of hacking. Not only by Reg's but by some FT member as well, i forget who. Even when FT members werent in the server i was still accused sometimes of Shotty Hacking. But hey, i didnt get banned, and im in FT. I know this really is a sucky example, but its all i could think of. Just work with it. I told you all about the Reg's not leaving. What more should i say. Edited Tue Jan 30 2007, 04:18PM |
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Registered Member #326
Joined: Wed Jul 05 2006, 04:15AMPosts: 635 |
i vote no to both. i haven't had any problems with them except for shit i've started like play knifing or hitting with a smoke nade. i enjoy the challenge of trying to kill them, and when i die i take the chance to learn from them. kever has already responded to this thread and it sounds to me like we might not see her around anymore anyway. we just had a thread about increasing the number of slots on FTC because it is full a lot of the time, i don't see all that many people being scared off by her. also, it is a pub server. people will find something else to bitch about an hour after kever is banned. my personal opinion: if i was as good as kever, playing on this server would be boring for me unless i had a lot of friends. it seems to me she has more enemies here than friends, and i think she is realizing that too. she certainly made an effort (in game) to be diplomatic, and mebbe if she had posted more on the site this wouldn't even have come up. it was nice knowin ya kever, i wouldn't mind if you popped into the tank from time to time! Edited Tue Jan 30 2007, 05:03PM |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
I thought I was going to be alone Glitch. I do not want Kever to go, but as majority rules, it looks like she is going to be gone. Out of her 100+ visits to the site it's sad to see that her only post is telling us to ban her because she can't take the contraversy. This kind of shit pisses me off for many reasons. I can't stand when people whine when a legit person is hacking. You're going to get people whining alot about hacking simply because they are not as good as that person and can't accept the fucking fact they suck. On my good days you might see my score even beyond Kever's scores and yet people still see me as legit. I have seen Kever have her bad days and then I've seen her have her good days. There's nothing wrong at being good at the game. Now as for banning her, she is a regular and it's unfair that she has to be banned simply because people have to fucking whine every Goddamn day because they aren't as good at the game as her. Yes, Office is a map that really doesn't require much skill at all, and most of us that come to the server aren't that great at the game. But why ban someone just because they are better at the game then you are especially if they are a regular? Newbies don't have a place in the server, and I have never been asked "Why are you letting this hacker in your server". To be honest, in the past months I have been seeing people getting along better with Kever because they realize that she's really legit. It's a pain in the ass for admins, but even so, aren't we bothered with more stuff that happens more frequent then this? For instance, "Can I have more money?" or "This guy is attacking me, kick him." There's more stuff that happens then a Kever hacks accusation. I don't believe she should be banned and if she does get banned I'll be dissapointed. I fully understand the majority rules and I can understand how annoying that it is to deal with people saying that she hacks, but she doesn't tk purposly, she is always respectful to admins, she never causes trouble. She's just simply good at the game. She has no reason at all to be banned and I think that it's fucking bullshit that she is since really noone else but me and a minority are going to agree. I talk to Kever outside of FT alot and most of the time she will message me via Steam to come and play at some servers or FTC with me. Or she will message me if she is in need of an admin at FTC. I think she's just a good regular just like everyone else. I was going to ask her to make an intro and accumulate some forum posts simply because I saw her as a good person for FT. Again, I think this is bullshit to the max. There are more people that need to be banned instead of Kever (I.e why not Steel? People think he hacks and he's a fucking dick on top of it.) These people should be banned way before Kever should be banned from our server. My opinion is no, and I'm severely dissapointed. |
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The All-Cum Diet
Registered Member #47
Joined: Mon Dec 05 2005, 04:55PMPosts: 1888 |
There have been some good points raised here. One such point is that some good players get accused of hacking while other good players are just good. For example, I have seen Nightrider rock a great KDR. Even better than Kever's at times. However, the difference is that we know Nightrider. It is Kever's fault for never posting an intro thread, or even making a post just to say "hi". We don't know her and that is her fault. If we knew her, perhaps the attitude towards her would be different. I know she reads forums and keeps up with things (case and point on this thread), so why has she never taken two minutes to say "hi"? Maybe she hacks, maybe not, but it is her fault for choosing not to be a part of the community. Because she chose to keep us at arm's length, she must endure the skepticism that others, who are a part of the community, do not have to endure. Edited Tue Jan 30 2007, 05:14PM |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PM Posts: 3503 |
That's a good point Fetus, but it's a greater point towards others that don't associate with her outside of FT. I actually do as I had mentioned in my above post. And on days when I see her in the site I'll post in the chatbox telling her to post. I don't know, I can talk to her about posting about herself since I do talk to her outside of FT. I just don't want to see her go. | ||
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| 5 Dollar Holler |
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Registered Member #494
Joined: Tue Nov 21 2006, 12:47AMPosts: 381 |
I vote no I think she should stay. As you play maps more and more you get better (maybe im the exception =P). Like when you see someone go 35-2 on a map then the map changes and they leave, some people just get to know maps better, play longer, and use the same guns and tactics that work. Back when Omega was a regular on the server he was definitely on par with Kever's current skill level, and had a similar KDR. When i'm facing Kever, yes i get alot of deaths that I think are bullshit, but often its not more than pre-shooting, good reflexes, and knowing where to aim when you strafe to get a head shot. |
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Anal Assassin
Registered Member #455
Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AM Posts: 3848 |
yea.. i agree with 5 Dollar. She is just really good at office on T side.. Is that such a bad thing. If she did post an intro.. i think this thread wouldnt even be here. Its because ppl dont see her around other then in FTC. Honestly... if Bubble, or Omega, or Devil werent in FT, i think ppl would say they hacked as well. But you never see someone telling an FT member they hack, or even someone that has been posting on the forums. Its simply because Kever doesnt participate on the forums. But she doesnt have to. Where does it say she has to post on forums to play in the server. It doesnt. So her being on the forums should play no part in this thread. Its simply the fact that Admins dont wanna be Admin no more when it comes to a Kever problem. They are sick of it. And granted.. i would be too if it was brought up over and over and over. Lets not forget "mis-interpretation." When i die by Steel or Kever, i always say HAX or if i die by bubble i say HAX or PISS. But im always kidding around. When Steel kills me i always say Deagel hax or you fucking hacker. But im just playing around because i know i just got wtfpwned by him or her. Maby the fact that ppl are serious AND kidding around when they say HAX, admins are seeing it all and just figuring that fuck it, she is a nuissance. I dont know. All i do know is that, this banning wont change a thing. People are going to bitch about Steel after this.. He will be the new Kever. After all he is Ranked better then her. And after we have a thread about Steel being banned, someone else will come along and we will ban them too. Sooner or later, ppl will see us as ppl who just ban because they are good. And about the ppl who bitch because they suck and cant kill her... What changed when she isnt in the server... They suck anywayz.. Kever being there or not doesnt change the fact that they still suck. Kever is just a scapegoat for them to hide the fact that they arent that good at the game. All in all, i say this thread is dissapointing and childish. (Im not saying your childish AP, you made this thread because ppl came to you.) ppl not wanting to deal with shit anymore. If we went along in life like this, not dealing with shit, we would all kill eachother. Granted, this isnt real life, but its the same concept. I love every admin in here. Yall are a bunch of nice ppl. But the posts that i read showed that certain admins, dont wanna be admin no more. They dont wanna deal with the admin responsibilities of dealing with Kever and the people who bitch about her. So all in all we will get rid of her to ease our minds and our fingers. Dont be mad at Kever. None of you should be. She hasnt done anything wrong to any of us, and she follows EVERY RULE. If that isnt enough to stay on the server then wat is? What are we telling everybody by banning her? That you cant play good on our server? The only reason why im double posting or even later on triple posting is because I like to fight for shit i believe in. I think this thread shouldnt be here. Its not wat i expected from us. I stand by Kever to the fullest. Edited Tue Jan 30 2007, 06:13PM |
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Registered Member #507
Joined: Thu Dec 14 2006, 01:42PMPosts: 539 |
okay sorry i didn't edit my orig post i don't think people would see it there. to add on with people that posted after me. yes people do not talk to her or play with her outside of the FT server, i do a lot and like i said in my previous post, she isn't hax0r good there either. its just the map. i've specced kever on T once and it was extremely obvious she was not hacking. i saw her guard long hall. and she hid behind door, popped out to check and went back in. she did this for a long while until she was certain no one was there. there were even couple occasions where she actually shot the empty wall. kever is just extremely familiar with office, if you watch her on ct. she would run through. shoot at where she THINKS someone is camping. and if she's lucky, she'll get a kill, and if she's not, she just does it again. this is a big reason why people think she's walling. the big issue about kever being a detergent to new FT members...i can't argue about that. people get pissed, and when i log on and see someone i've never seen play before and kever on at the same time. i could always assume they're gonna say 'hacker!' eventually. and i forgot who (because i'm not on that page), they also wrote that people hate kever because they don't know them. she never posted up a intro. thats really true. i mean, you guys probably did more damage to kever than she did to FT. just because the admins get complaints about her hacking. kever quit her old clan, she plays on CT so much more frequently now, all she's trying to do is play on FTc in peace w/o people bugging her. its not fair to kick someone out of a server just because they're good. if anything. take steel xP |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
Registered Member #28
Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PMPosts: 704 |
I say no. I don't know Kever very well other then playing in game and I rarely see her talk there. I have also had people complain to me about her hacking and looked at it several times and I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious other then her good score. I read this topic and I can clearly see that a good few people who have taken the time to get to know her like her and can respect her skill. I also see a lot of people who are highly angered by the many problems she causes with doing so well and see this ban as the only way out of this problem. Maybe a good deal of the problem is as fetus said her keeping us at arm's length. Personally I see no reason to punish her on the grounds of suspsitions. That is like throwing someone in jail because you think they robed a store but you have absolutely no proof. I understand she has put admins in a tough spot I know I been there. I know it seems like the only way to make this stop is to get rid of her but to just go around punishing people with no sense of justice that just isn't the fish tank clan I know. You raise good points that no other player has had to have demos made to prove they hack but we haven't really run into a case like this where there is a lot of controversy over them. I suggest we hold off on making a choice till we are more clear on what is really happening. This choice doesn't mean that admins have to like her or defend her or stop suspecting her. It just means that we give her the same fair chance to play unless we can clearly see that she has indeed broken the rules. |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
After months upon months of having to hear 'ban Kever for hacking' it becomes clear that the accusations will not go away. This is because the 'Kever is dirty' mantra has affixiated itself into the very core of the FTC community. Granted, the number of players that replied to this thread thus far only repersent a mere fraction of the daily connection count. Likewise, the responses were in large part by members of FT. Yes I agree that it has been hard to build an environment that respects individual freedoms and I am sure that many people who posted in favor of Kever, joined FT knowing that this community is very liberal and everyone's opinion counts. This proposition of Banning Kever seems to strike at the very heart of individual fairness, and yes, I agree it does. If Kever is banned, will it be a direct blow to her individual rights? Abso-fuckin-lutely. So why risk violating another player's liberties in this manner??? Well, for the good of the majority, thats why. We are here to play a game and if someone is being problematic (even unintentionally,) then get rid of them for the greater good. Would you kill 1 baby if it meant saving 10? 6 months ago I would have said 'hells no, there is an inherit goodness within each individual that needs to be protected.' Today my answer is "fire up the BBQ because there is MORE potential value in 10 lives than there is in 1." If banning Kever means that more players will enjoy their game, and continue to come back to the server, then I'm all for it. Everyone seems to be forgetting that there IS a problem surrounding this player: Case in point- ummm,,, this thread? Why are we even having this discussion if there is not a problem between Kever and FTC players? We have acknowledged that a problem exists just by having this discussion, so what is preventing us from banning and moving on... Sure, when micromanaging a group of 5 employees, somethimes you have to delegate and try to work with a problem. But in this instance, why are we opting to work with a problem when it is easier to eliminate it altogether and move forward? What GOOD is there in putting up with these endless complaints? Protecting Kever's individual freedoms? Expendable, much in the same way mine are as well as yours, for the greater good. I've done 2 ingame votes on a full/near-full server asking "Do you think Kever Hacks" with every vote except 1 or 2 saying "Yes Kever hacks" Clearly our arguing on forums is negating the opinion of the people whose opinion matters most.... the opinions of the people playing. Granted, opinions are subjective and not necessarily rooted in objective truths, but the outcome is still the same. Why are we even putting in this much effort? I know, cuz we like to argue and I suppose there's nothing wrong with that, but at the end of the day you need to step back and look at the situation objectively and without prejudice. The facts are that the majority of players in-game would rather not have Kever playing. That's the bottom line and sure my 2 votes were small samples, but coupled with the BAN KEVER requests that are recieved by admins on a daily basis, what is in the best interests of the server would be for Kever to play elsewhere. I fail to see how people complaining about Kever helps to promote a "fun and competative environment" when the fun is taken out of everyone's game everytime she plays and admins have their ears talked off by ban requests. I fail to see how Kever promotes a competative environment when she destroys CTs and causes them to leave without so much as swapping herself to CT to make up for the disparity in team sizes she caused. I did a mental cost/benefit analysis and tried to be as objective as possible using only the replies in this thread and I fail to see how the benefit of Kever's play on the server outweighs the burdens. Edited Tue Jan 30 2007, 07:25PM |
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