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#woo
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Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PMPosts: 665 |
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Anal Assassin
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Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
I know this is like my 100th post in this thread and no one is reading them anymore.. but oh wat the hell... Damage has been done. Jesus wrote ... And as for what Glitch keeps saying about giving him admin and he will deal with it there are a couple things I have to say in regards to that the first being how would that solve anything you getting admin would not solve the fact that people bitch at any admin who is on when kever is on and I know for sure that you would not be on all the time so you could be on there when kever is on so, no offense is meant by this statement at all and I hope none is taken and yes I know it sounds kind of elitist but oh well, at least in this situation with what you have said you getting admin would NOT help the situation at all. Jesus.. i was only being sarcastic. I was only using that as some hypothetical example on my part. I wasnt really asking for admin. granted it would be nice to be part of the "cool admin club" lol but i wouldnt present myself in this fashion as well as in this thread. And no offense taken. Your speaking your mind as i did the last 9473893 times in this thread. Jesus wrote ... and yes I know Glitch I could ignore it all but you know what it's not really that simple and until you have been in put in the position we have then I don't think you really have a right to judge us on our decision. Im not judging you Jesus. And if it came off that way to anybody then im sorry. I didnt mean it like that. And your right.. i dont know how it feels unless i was put in that decision. Again.. no offense taken. Steel wrote ... reading omega's thread about kever admitting to sucking at rushing -- yes she has told me too. if you look at our stats, i get kills faster than her. the only problem is, i am very impatient and i decide to rush 80% of the time, and i end up going alone 75% of those times, and therefore i get a lot more deaths than her. this ties in with the haccusations against me. i was playing in another server earlier today to find another to play on when i encountered a REAL aimbotter. the screen shakes violently. i have a demo if you want to check it out, otherwise, dont accuse of hacking if you dont know how they work. i havent personally hacked, but i have spectated enough hackers to see how they work. (they being aimbot, wallhack, speedhack -- i dont know of any others). No matter how much i hate this prick lol.. I agree with him. Steel is as impatient as me sometimes and that is the reason i die so much as well as him. Kever does sit in the back and is almost NEVER out in front. THINK ABOUT IT she is usually always the last T alive.. Explain much? |
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| Ol_Drippy |
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Registered Member #454
Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 02:42AMPosts: 42 |
We all have our differant opinions on if she hacked or not. Honestly i believe she did, even after specing her and noticing she shoots after every corner she turned, she happened to almost always look the right way. However i would and will play with her for hours on end, and not make a fuss. If you want feel free to look at log and you will notice i almost never said anything about her hacking unless brought up by someone else and i would try my best to keep quiet. Also, I never did say anything derogative to her/him. And on the topic of others being accused of hackers (like bowser and such.) for all we know, they may have. In fact i am willing to bet 3 or 4 regulars ( at some point) have been hackers. It may very well be false, it is just my opinion. Obivously I don't hack as i can't manage to get above 1.00 kdr (damnit). I would love to see kever back, although it may not happen. So i say farewell and message me when you need a body guard  I will bid, farewell, been great.
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AKA cupcake
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Joined: Fri Aug 04 2006, 03:38AMPosts: 858 |
well, the damage has been done, I believe she isn't coming back to FTC, good job dickheads. | ||
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
She told me she might stay. I want her to stay because out of majority rule she is staying (Unless King Kalibur comes to the uhh. Rescue?) I am very thankful that so many people responded to this thread in Kever's favor, even newbies such as El Matador. And for everyone else (Even you Steel) I solely respect your feedback and thank you for siding with Kever. It would have made me feel like shit had she been banned, but by majority, she is here to stay. I hope we all will learn something from this thread as I hadn't even expected to see this much feedback over a controversy. Again, thank you all for your input. I will talk to Kever if she did decide to leave and get her back at FTC. See you guys in the tank. | ||
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Grif-Noscope
Registered Member #463
Joined: Mon Oct 16 2006, 09:55PMPosts: 50 |
NO Ok heres how I see things. Kever is a good player, i have watched her play, and i have watched tonnes of cal matches, and i see alot of similar characteristics between styles. As to the whole kever never says hi to anyone, that is a blatent lie, just look at her chat logs, she says hi to me everytime she comes and to others as well. I wouldnt be suprised if she never says hi to some of you guys because you guys have such a distasteful animosity towards her that she probably feels intimidated. She is a nice girl and i chat with her outside of CS from time to time. I also think that the admins are getting some comments mixed up, sure you get the occasional serious complaint but im sure that atleats 75% of them are mere jests. I myslef on numerous occasions after she has killed me have called her haxxor, but have not meant it. Do you honestly think that kever would be playing here if she didnt like the croud that she played with?Seriously sit down and think about it, she has skill, so she should be seaking out to IMPROVE her game by playing against better opponents on prof servers, yet she remains here, why do you think that would be. I love what you admins do but perhaps, this is an attempt at making the job easier. the whole point of being admin is to PROTECT ALL PLAYERS that are playing within the rules, not to discriminate against one or two that are above average. Seems to me like Kever needs your protection and not your misguidied criticism. Perhaps you might have ground with which to ban kever had she been an ass and rubbed it in your face that shes owning all. But im quite certain that if you look through her chat log that NOT ONCE will you see any type of comments that even aproach that line. She is just plain courtious and respectful. As to address the comment about new players not wanting to return, I hardly see that there is a problem with this, considering that from around 2 or 3 PM to 2-3AM the server rarely has an empty spot. Are we looking at maing this server so atractive that all the longtime regulars cant get on because there are too many new players playing. The way i see it kever is helping kep the population of the server under control, and yet the population still manages to grow. Soon it will be nearly impossible to get on withouit tryiong for 30 mins. And with the way the clan wallet has been going i dont see a new server in the future, so why would we want the population to increase so much. Many people will say more players more donations. That isnt true it seems to me that the only people who make donations are the ones who have been here for more than a year. And I think it would be hard to find a new member that fits that . In conclusion I restate that Kever should not be banned and that all members of this server who have treated Kever harshly, extend a formal apology, because like it or not she is part of the FT community and will be sorely missed by many of us. |
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| Wildcard23 |
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Registered Member #514
Joined: Wed Dec 20 2006, 06:33AMPosts: 1067 |
The community has spoken and should Kever CHOOSE to come back and play on the server, this community WILL support her in any way possible. I have said that I personally liked Kever as have so many others in this post. I am with the majority that I do not believe she uses any hacks but is simply that good. Alcohol makes an excellent point that if given the opportunity, Kever can be a beneficial part of this community if she decides to take that route. But it is not mandatory for her should she decide to give FT another chance. A few of the other members also raised excellent points in ways that I didn't consider by making yourself a better player by playing someone who is of a higher caliber. However, a few issues were raised with this post. The most obvious and dangerous one should be the conduct of the members. The forums are a place for each of our members to feel safe posting our ideas, thoughts, and concerns. We don't have to agree with each other about what is written but you damn well better be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. This thread turned into more of a bitching match with everyone taking shots at each other. We all have disagreements with our siblings and friends at some point but maturity is learning to handle the situation better so you don't make the same mistake twice. I believe that the community as a whole needs to learn from this and make amends before this tears everyone apart even further than it already has. With that said, I am going to comment on what Steel wrote and will more than likely start a new thread if necessary. But I want to thank Steel for proving my point exactly. You have successfully thrown another temper tantrum this time in the forums instead of in game. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... ok, first of all when do i brag? never. Really. So you are going to honestly type with 100% certainty that you don't brag at all about running a round?? I can think of a few instances right off the top of my head where you comment on your score to everyone. Before you make a statement like this, make sure you know what you say in game. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... second of all, i only complain about lag when my ping spikes to 300 or when evilpig warps around the map. third of all, i complain about bullshit only when it happens, as in 95 in 5 with an AK without a wall. Are you sure about this one also. I also recall numerous times over the last week that you were killed and either replied in the *dead* chat with "bs," "lag," or some other creative choice of excuses that you we have become accustomed to seeing. It's called a game. Many of us have tried to explain this to you multiple times that you are overly competitive. That is about the point that you throw your temper tantrum like a 4 year old. I have shot you with a shotgun from point blank range and only done 65 damage. Your first reaction is omfg there's no way you didn't die and then the realization that it's a game hits. Many people in game will be killed or only have an AK or M4 do 95 damage in 5 hits. People will post that in the chatbox and then say damn I should aim better or nice shot or nice job surviving. It's about being supportive and realizing that it is only a game. You, like I have said, are overly competitive and ruin the game for many others besides myself. How do I know? Because multiple people on the teams that I have been playing on to include the FT regulars have complained about your conduct asking me if I could do something about it. I initially attempted to tell you to relax or it's just a game but you throw your normal "steel temper tantrums" as we have become so accustomed to calling them. Therefore, I have had to go to senior level admins who could bring the issue to you since you only seem to respect those in game who have the ability to kick or ban you. It's not a joke. The majority of players notice that you respect admins but no one else. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... As for blaming my team for my downfall, when i rush and get teamflashed twice and die, yes i will blame my teamates. when i get shot at more than twice by a teamate, yes i will bitch. when a teamate shoots me for absoultely no reason, yes i will bitch. You admit to bitching in game which is not so much where my issue lies with you. It's the frequency with which you bitch. When someone on your team shoots you because they are trying to shoot the enemy and you are strafing back and forth, you turn around and shoot that person on your team. Here's the deal. THE MAP IS NOT JUST MADE FOR YOU. This is another point that I have tried to convey to you multiple times before you go into your temper tantrum and tell me to fuck off. There is a team concept at play here and a lot of times we are going to have new players who aren't used to checking their lanes of fire. We also have regulars who will accidentally block a doorway trying to get out while you are trying to get in or will try to cover you and you run into their line of sight. You constantly blame everyone else in game. Realize it's just a game and the game is not just about you. This leads me into my next point of your selfish manner in game. You only seem to be concerned with your stats. The perception that you come across with in game is that you are only concerned with your K:D ratio and being the top of the server. Competition is fun but there is a safe level before you cross over and become a dick. This is a game and part of the fun is enjoying the game. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... but when i am spectating you when you are 1v1 with someone and you die, do i say "you suck" or anything like that? no. i dont tell anybody they suck... actually, i give you tips. i can recall three accounts where i told you pointers, like aim higher. i remember a few days ago someone was spraying with the para and the bullets were flying over the enemies head, in a checkered pattern, and i said, look at the bulletholes on the wall and adapt. aim lower. is that telling him he sucks, or helping him get better? I do recall the three times that you have said something to me but I also recall you not missing a breath on other occasions to tell me that I suck. How do I know this? Because I expected more from you after the first time that you told me to try to aim higher. I expected far more from you and you disappointed me. When I spoke up back to you to say it's only a game you threw another one of your typical "steel temper tantrums" where you told me to fuck off. And it hasn't just been geared toward me. So I don't understand how you can come here and say you don't say anything along those lines to people. You have done it multiple times to people and others have stood up to you to tell you to relax with the same results with you that we always have. Unless of course it's been an admin who you respect because of their power over you. The rest of us you treat like shit and you are self-centered if you don't realize that you have done this to other playing members. It's because of this that some of us refuse to even deal with you because we don't want to be a Kindergarden teacher with you. Helping someone once doesn't make you a saint and you have negated any positive actions that you have done for someone else by your negative behavior in the server. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... if you show me an instance of me bragging, show me. when i say "gg" when i ace the team, i say it because my last kill is usually on a person that killed me a few rounds earlier and said some cocky remark. I'd be more than happy to write a script to go through all of the text files if they are saved to pull out every instance over the last month that you have said something. I would put in the hours necessary to do it if I believed that you would actually give a shit about all the evidence that I would present. But I'm not naive enough to believe that you actually give two shits about anyone but yourself. You are self-centered and it's disgusting. Would you like an example? Read above when you wrote "i say it because my last kill is usually on a person that killed me a few rounds earlier and said some cocky remark." You are so self centered that you constantly blame others. Nothing is ever Steel's fault and that's a sign of immaturity. In addition, are you so immature that you can't rise above something IF something snotty is said to you? This is an 18 and up server and you have failed to act in accordance with what a normal 18-year old would act at that point in his life. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... you say i should play in an expert league? uhh, sure, i dont have a league. i did cal-o S6 and didnt hold up too well. anything i missed? You obviously missed the point of the comment and took it in a way to make yourself feel better about yourself as usual. I commented saying that you and Kever were in the same league in regards to skill being able to kill 4-6 enemies per round every single round which is something that the majority of us are not normally able to do every single round. The majority of us takes months just to be able to hold an even ratio or kill 2 people per round for the most part. So you tried out another server? You didn't hold up too well? Good for you. Did they make snotty comments to you? Did you stand up for yourself and then have them throw temper tantrums because you stood up for yourself? Did they make excuses everytime you did kill any of them? Thanks for proving my point about you being cocky when you wrote "anything i missed?" It's the exact reason so many of us feel that you are such an arrogant, pompous ass. Grow up kid. I will comment that there have been times in game that you have switched teams to even the odds if a team is losing without being asked. For the most part, many people aren't willing to do this because they are comfortable with whatever team they are on and obviously the terrorists always maintain a better K:D ratio. For you, team doesn't seem to matter and you for the most part maintain the same high ratios whether you are a CT or a T. Small thing in the big picture but I want to make sure that I give you credit for it. And just in case you believe this is simply just me that has this perception of you Steel... Cha Siew Bao wrote ... With conduct, Compared to steel she's a saint. Kever dies without complaining, doesn't gloat even though 3/4 of CT died to her in the paper room, and I personally never seen her attack a teammate on purpose...i mean christ I even throw smoke nades at people once in a while. I was on the server yesterday with him with Mugen and as usual he was spoutting shit and trash-talking. Thats fine and all but when mugen commented on why he did that every round he got in a pissy-fit, came back as a diff name, tk'd a couple regs for a few rounds, and then left. He isn't much different from Kever skillwise as depending on which team he's on it comes out to a greater than 42 score difference between the two teams. Since you brought up banning players who are deterring players away from the server consider steel as well. Evilpig wrote ... Not to mention that she is polite to everyone. Steel on the other hand raises questions tho. Jesus wrote ... Now to the other subject that was brought up on Steel. I totally agree with the people saying he should be banned he is a total dick period end of story, and I especially think he should be banned if we are going to ban kever. Nightrider wrote ... Again, I think this is bullshit to the max. There are more people that need to be banned instead of Kever (I.e why not Steel? People think he hacks and he's a fucking dick on top of it.) These people should be banned way before Kever should be banned from our server. Hakha[reaper wrote ...
I would say let her stay and kick steel's ass. |
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01nk3d bY tEh P1g
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Joined: Thu Jan 04 2007, 05:27AMPosts: 707 |
wrote ... ok, first of all when do i brag? never. Hmm, for one your spray paint is a picture of you killing people. |
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Registered Member #507
Joined: Thu Dec 14 2006, 01:42PMPosts: 539 |
Okay i'll make this short and simple because i know the super long post less than half the people actually read the whole thing. Usually they just read the first paragraph and skip to the next post. THE MAIN POINT: I talked to kever last night and she said she'll probably leave FT and try to go back to her old clan. She said if the old clan doesn't take her back, she'll quit cs all together, which i'm not excactly sure if she'll actually do. But for kever, this is her way to apologize and just solve everything, this is her solution. |
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| Jesus[tzahal] |
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![Jesus[tzahal]](/media/avatar/100x0/upload/mango_kiwi.1172003384.jpg)
Registered Member #530
Joined: Wed Jan 03 2007, 10:56PMPosts: 807 |
Evilpig wrote ... wrote ... ok, first of all when do i brag? never. Hmm, for one your spray paint is a picture of you killing people. yeah, gj.. its not like i did that because someone else had a spray of CHEATER with 4 deag HS. i was spoofing that. replying to wildcards many quotes: you brought up the instance when i came under another name? yeah i did. and somebody, i have a screenshot of exactly what Hakha said: "ninca wheres your boy steel shouldnt you be off suckin his dick". that is directed towards ninca. he did not know i was there. so yes ill admit i TKed him. but you say i TK purposely a lot? when people purposely shoot me, i will shoot them back. they shoot me because they dont like me, so i shoot them back, but then that creates more enemies for me. viscious cycle, but thats how it went down, and thats why im pissed off about it. and i dont complain after every death, as you have mentioned before, i can take deaths if they are legit. i complain about 30% of them, and they only on a bad day. if im 20-10 i dont complain. if im 10-15 i do, because i know i can do better, as there are many examples of it in the past, but i cant hold up to even a 1:1 ratio, so i get annoyed. its like school. you get a 90% and if you get anything lower in the future, you get pissed off. also, i tell people ns if they get a good headshot on me when i least expect it, or a scout. and also, i was trying to find other office servers.. i just get banned for being too good aswell. (i joined .BAD. 24/7 office, and i got banned last night, i came back today and the guy said "yeah 5 mins for owning me " then i went like 40-9 and got banned again. any suggestions on where to go?
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