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Inconsistant Ownage Device
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Joined: Sat Dec 10 2005, 06:12PMPosts: 1058 |
Smoke grenades are very useful and should be allowed if they arnt being abused. A screen of smoke at backwindow allows all sorts of advantages for the ts. Gasp are we not allowed to do that? God forbid we use tactics. If you dont like being naded at back, dont go there, or learn how to adapt. | ||
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Ruler of all that is pocky
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Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PMPosts: 704 |
I just don't see why we punish it is someone dose it alone but if someone dose it in a group it is ok..... It seems like highly flawed logic. Your saying that one person using a nade in such a manner is illegal but 4 people using nades in the same fashion is tactical. Following that logic then 1 person doing the same thing alone would also be tactical. I guess I am the only one that thinks that 2 things with the same results are the same thing. Then I question the original nade spam rule. Why do we have it in refrece to smoke nades? To be more specific why can't a single person not use a tactic but a group can? Edited Sun Jul 15 2007, 08:08AM |
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The Original MilfHunter
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Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
I guess the difference is that one person repeatedly buying (nades) is spamming,,, while a team of players co-ordinating where they throw their individual nade is 'tactics'. There is a big difference and what went down tonight is simply team members agreeing as to where they will throw their smoke nade... its not spamming, its just co-ordination. Edited Sun Jul 15 2007, 11:30AM | ||
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doctorphate
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Joined: Wed May 30 2007, 03:50AMPosts: 699 |
Goose is correct. Rebuying is when it becomes spam. Coordinating is just teamwork. | ||
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Joined: Tue Mar 07 2006, 12:07PMPosts: 3146 |
i was there when that happened and it got very annoying trying to run through all that smoke. and it wasnt just the t's, it was the ct's too | ||
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The All-Cum Diet
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Joined: Mon Dec 05 2005, 04:55PMPosts: 1888 |
Pockyninja wrote ... I just don't see why we punish it is someone dose it alone but if someone dose it in a group it is ok..... It seems like highly flawed logic. How is that “highly flawed logic”? It makes perfect sense. If one person repeatedly buys grenades, it is spam. If a group of people buy one grenade each and throw it in this same place it is not spam. Each person is allowed one smoke grenade per round. That is the rule. Spam is a repeated action. For example, someone rebuying smoke grenades is spam. So, let me ask you this, Pocky, by your ‘highly sound logic’, does “Back-Hall grenades” constitute spam? Or is it different because it is HE grenades? Pockyninja wrote ... Your saying that one person using a nade in such a manner is illegal but 4 people using nades in the same fashion is tactical. One person buying one smoke grenade is legal, yes. One person buying multiple smoke grenades is not legal. Four people buying one smoke grenade each is legal. I’m not sure where the confusion is. Pockyninja wrote ... Following that logic then 1 person doing the same thing alone would also be tactical. One person buying one smoke grenade is legal. One person rebuying smoke grenades is not. Again, I am having trouble finding where the confusion is. Pockyninja wrote ... I guess I am the only one that thinks that 2 things with the same results are the same thing. Yeah, I guess you are the only one who thinks that. With the exception of emerican (who only has less than 10 hours on the server for the year, who should not weigh in on issues like this, and who only chimed in to get his post count up), not one single person who has posted here agrees with you. You are the only one who thinks that way because you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Pockyninja wrote ... Then I question the original nade spam rule. Why do we have it in refrece to smoke nades? Sorry, you fail yet again. I’m beginning to see a pattern. If you actually read the server rules for FTC -[link]- , you would have come across this: Grenade spamming: Sitting at your spawn and throwing grenades over and over. It is in reference to all grenades. The reason is so one person does not continue to buy grenades all round, and thus gain an unfair advantage. It is unfair for a terrorist to be able to sit at spawn and throw HEs, flashes, and/or smoke grenades all round. That would be spam. However, as is the case with “Back-Hall nades”, if the terrorists pull together a group effort and each use his or her one HE grenade for “Back-Hall nades” then that is the participants’ prerogative. The same goes for smoke grenades and flashes. Pockyninja wrote ... To be more specific why can't a single person not use a tactic but a group can? *Sigh* Because, one person rebuying grenades is spam. A group throwing grenades in the same direction is a coordinated effort. I’ll be sure to tell everyone that you want to make the fan favorite, “Back-Hall nades”, illegal. I’m sure that will help you make friends. Bottom line, Pocky, at this point you had better just figure a way to get over it. You have not raised any compelling arguments. Everyone here is in agreement that you are wrong. You have not raised any valid points, except to say that you obviously get annoyed when you get killed walking through a wall of smoke. You can come and cry on my shoulder. I’ll kiss your forehead, and make it all better. Lastly, Pocky, when four regulars, the Lead Admin, a Level 3 Admin, and two Junior Operators tell you that you are wrong, you really should quit while you’re ahead. P.S – Pocky, you are not allowed to tell anyone that his or her logic is flawed until you figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re”. Edited Sun Jul 15 2007, 05:46PM |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
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Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PM Posts: 704 |
[quote] Pockyninja wrote ... I just don't see why we punish it is someone dose it alone but if someone dose it in a group it is ok..... It seems like highly flawed logic. How is that “highly flawed logic”? It makes perfect sense. If one person repeatedly buys grenades, it is spam. If a group of people buy one grenade each and throw it in this same place it is not spam. Each person is allowed one smoke grenade per round. That is the rule. Spam is a repeated action. For example, someone rebuying smoke grenades is spam. So, let me ask you this, Pocky, by your ‘highly sound logic’, does “Back-Hall grenades” constitute spam? Or is it different because it is HE grenades? [/quote] A group of people is cable of spam just like a single person. For example if everyone came into my topic and said the word "spam" and nothing else but each person only said it once then my topic would be full of spam but no one person in particular spammed the whole topic. It is the same with smoke nades one on it's own is not a spam but when you have 5 or 6 thrown down there is a spam of nade but it is done by more then one person. A single person can be just as tactical as a group in reality the same actions done by a single person or done by a group would be called the same thing. If you went out and killed a man with a gun by yourself that is murder. If you had a group of people come with you and kill that man together it is still murder just with more people. wrote ... Pockyninja wrote ... Your saying that one person using a nade in such a manner is illegal but 4 people using nades in the same fashion is tactical. One person buying one smoke grenade is legal, yes. One person buying multiple smoke grenades is not legal. Four people buying one smoke grenade each is legal. I’m not sure where the confusion is. The confusion is that there is no rule aside from our own that says a person cant buy more then one provided they can do so in the buy time. So it is a rule we made up but there is no good reason why a single person cant do that tactic if we view nade spamming as a tactic. Pretty much it is not the matter of who buys the nades as it is the matter of what takes place with them. If a person bought 2 nades and threw them in different places I highly doubt that people would say he is nade spamming and they could easily do the same thing with picking up nades and would be also called a nade spammer. So the whole argument is that you think that a group of people and a single person doing a action is a different action it has nothing to do with what they buy or don't buy since that is our rule not counter strikes. wrote ... Pockyninja wrote ... Following that logic then 1 person doing the same thing alone would also be tactical. One person buying one smoke grenade is legal. One person rebuying smoke grenades is not. Again, I am having trouble finding where the confusion is. Because your assuming that there is something wrong with someone buying 2 nades. The only reason it is not allowed is because of server rules and not the game itself there for if there was no rule and people could do it during the buy time then it is a perfectly fine tactic but we for some reason don't view it as a tactic and instead punish it. I am just asking we be constant in our actions. wrote ... Pockyninja wrote ... I guess I am the only one that thinks that 2 things with the same results are the same thing. Yeah, I guess you are the only one who thinks that. With the exception of emerican (who only has less than 10 hours on the server for the year, who should not weigh in on issues like this, and who only chimed in to get his post count up), not one single person who has posted here agrees with you. You are the only one who thinks that way because you are wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Just because a idea is not popular dose not make it wrong. I remember a guy who had this really unpopular theory that the world was round and not square. I wonder was he also wrong because he thought differently then everyone else? I am just making judgements off of what people do and if it is the same actions and the same effect and the same everything but the amount of people it is the same crime. This is a lot like war. War in itself is murder you go around killing many people with a motive given it is a good motive but a motive none the less. When someone goes out and kill someone on their own with their own motive it is murder. The same actions being given different names and consequences. You may say but your defending your country but you try talking to the people on the opposing side if they caught you they would gladly kill you for killing their friends and family the fact that you murdered them. It is just a way to dress up what is really happening calling it war. a murder is a murder and a nade spam is a nade spam. Pockyninja wrote ... Then I question the original nade spam rule. Why do we have it in refrece to smoke nades? Sorry, you fail yet again. I’m beginning to see a pattern. If you actually read the server rules for FTC -[link] wrote ... - , you would have come across this: Grenade spamming: Sitting at your spawn and throwing grenades over and over. It is in reference to all grenades. The reason is so one person does not continue to buy grenades all round, and thus gain an unfair advantage. It is unfair for a terrorist to be able to sit at spawn and throw HEs, flashes, and/or smoke grenades all round. That would be spam. However, as is the case with “Back-Hall nades”, if the terrorists pull together a group effort and each use his or her one HE grenade for “Back-Hall nades” then that is the participants’ prerogative. The same goes for smoke grenades and flashes. A swing and a miss yourself that doesn't give them that much of a advantage with our short buy time but it is still agenst the rules and people can do it in the back hall if they spawn near the window. Also cts could just keep going back to spawn and buy their own nades in such a case it would also give time for T to run down their cash supplies. In other words the terrorist don't have much to gain from it the cts can just wait it out and throw in a unlimited amount of their own nades. wrote ... Pockyninja wrote ... To be more specific why can't a single person not use a tactic but a group can? *Sigh* Because, one person rebuying grenades is spam. A group throwing grenades in the same direction is a coordinated effort. I’ll be sure to tell everyone that you want to make the fan favorite, “Back-Hall nades”, illegal. I’m sure that will help you make friends. Bottom line, Pocky, at this point you had better just figure a way to get over it. You have not raised any compelling arguments. Everyone here is in agreement that you are wrong. You have not raised any valid points, except to say that you obviously get annoyed when you get killed walking through a wall of smoke. You can come and cry on my shoulder. I’ll kiss your forehead, and make it all better. Lastly, Pocky, when four regulars, the Lead Admin, a Level 3 Admin, and two Junior Operators tell you that you are wrong, you really should quit while you’re ahead. P.S – Pocky, you are not allowed to tell anyone that his or her logic is flawed until you figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re”. Acully I didn't get annoyed with being killed over and over in the smoke because that didnt happen. I am not worried with what tactics you use I will find a way around anything you can throw at me. Your confusing what my issue is with group nade spamming. I am just trying to make sure that we are constant in what we do. A tactic is just a plan for a battle nothing more nothing less it dose not have requirements as to how many people are needed for it. So the fact we don't allow a single person to use a tactic because it could give them a unfair advantage is just silly. Most the time the advantage went to the ct because the terrorist would flood their hostage room with smoke and I could just get the hostages without killing a single one of them. I just feel it is flawed to make it called and act differently when someone dose the same thing. Sure you need to coronate how hard is that? "Everyone throw your nades where mine lands" "ok". coronation complete. It is not some highly coordinated plan where many people are involved to do a bunch of stuff this is the easiest thing to coronate so stop acting like it is some big difference that you got to make a few people listen to you terrorist tend to corporate. Your right I am in a completely one sided conversation but of course they will think that since a good number of them were the ones doing it last night. Of course you wouldn't think of that would you? Someone who uses that tactic would be less likely to agree with me no matter if I am right or wrong because it would prevent them for using their tactic. As for friends I don't care if my ideas of having us constantly act the same way will make me enemies. When making a argument remembering your audience it key and I know I should practice that more. I am the one who gets called the camper nazi for all the times I slay people who camp do you think that made me popular? No it didn't people hated me quite a lot for it but I still upheld the rules. I carry out my job and if it makes me enemies oh well to bad I can tell them their black halls is not allowed. The bottom line is you have yet to raise a good argument agienst what I say exspet by saying that I am wrong over and over again and then saying no one agrees with me. The only one piece of argument you got is your quote on standing in spawn and rebuying over and over. Your right that our rules dose have that as the definition but it is a poor definition first off we rarely got anyone for standing in spawn. Normally they would move around quite a bit which would disqualify them from our rules. Secondly it focuses on the buying and not the spamming. The spamming is the constant throwing of something or the constant doing of something. The constant buying is a type of spam but then again why don't we get them for gun spam? I remember back when we had a lot of buy time people would get like 15 guns all loaded and change between them so they had a unfair advantage of a always loaded gun. It was because the unfair advantage came form the throwing of the nades into the hall over and over. The guns didn't give that much of a advantage. wrote ... obviously get annoyed when you get killed walking through a wall of smoke. You can come and cry on my shoulder. I’ll kiss your forehead, and make it all better. This quite is still completely false I don't know when I ever said I got killed by this. I rarely got killed by it in fact most the time I used their own smoke to my advantage. I don't really care about my kd rate. I guess we will never see eye to eye on this but I stated my case. If no one agrees with me things will remain this way but you will still remain wrong on what a nade spam is. Also if someone moves to a different spot in spawn while nade spamming I guess you should never punish them because in our definition that isn't nade spam it involves "Sitting at your spawn" but running back and forth form spawn isn't covered. |
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What the fuck?! Total agreement with Fetus, Goose, Drunk, Omni, Omega. I didn't even read Pocky's last post, it seems like a waste of time. Fetus' last two statements just about sum it up. **EDIT** Also, if you have ever been in Battle.net for starcraft or warcraft, you can get disconnected for flooding. It is basically the same thing here. You can get 10 people to say the same thing all at once in a chat channel and nobody will get disconnected, or you can say the same thing 10 times and get disconnected for flooding. It's the same thing. Edited Sun Jul 15 2007, 07:50PM |
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The All-Cum Diet
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Joined: Mon Dec 05 2005, 04:55PM Posts: 1888 |
Pockyninja wrote ... oh well to bad I can tell them their black halls is not allowed. No, you can't. You cannot make and enforce your own rules. As for the rest of your post, I do not have time right now to respond to each inane comment. |
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Pocky, like fetus said, spamming is done by ONE PERSON. When 10 people do it, that is just them being smart. So also, would u consider spamming when 5 terrorist shoot at back window randomly? That is pretty much what you are saying. | ||
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