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Anal Assassin
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if you find out the answer to that, then you can find out who really killed JFK and where John Dough is really buried. | ||
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what i meant to be discussed in this topic is if there is an "All Powerful Being" we have been raised to view as god and if it affects our everyday lives. As for the wars, that is my opinion. Look at whats happening. They have these islamic militants where their religion claims that for each person they kill they will get a prostitute in the next life. This, IMO, is fueling the war. |
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"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-boggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof for the nonexistence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "Oh that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing." |
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AKA cupcake
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Joined: Fri Aug 04 2006, 03:38AMPosts: 858 |
Jesus[tzahal wrote ... ] "Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-boggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof for the nonexistence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "Oh that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing." Good book, don't forget your towel. |
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| Pockyninja |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
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Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PMPosts: 704 |
shankster wrote ... Well chew on this for a little while, all religions think that every other religion is an incorrect belief and essentially, in fact if not necessarily in practice, that all "infidels" or those who don't believe in that form of religion are going to hell. If religion is incorrect then nothing happens to us and we are free. If religion is right then essentially all religions are correct and thus we are all going to hell in numerous religions. You may say that if religion is correct then only one is correct, well most religions at least for the heaven and hell and god parts have just about the same ideas therefore if one is correct then the others by the same token are equally correct. I would like to start that Hell was made up by people back in the dark ages to scare people into believing what they told them to and to give them more power. Notice that the Jews who are the origin of Christianity do not believe in a hell. Muslims are a part of Christianity they just think that Jesus was a prophet so their belief in Hell springs from Christianity. Budist and Hindus think that you just get reborn in a lesser form if you were a bad person (the evil butterfly bwahahahaha). So you see People can say your going to hell but no religious text really tell people they will until the dark ages. That being said even if there is a Hell and a Heaven according to religions god has infnate pations and is perfect. There for he would realize that we can't know what to have faith in and would allow people to go into heaven regardless of if they did or did not choose the correct path to god. The point was never to choose the right faith but to be a good person. The other points you made were good. gLiTchâ„¢ wrote ... ima keep this short as well. Usually me and pocky and wild (who is yet to write his book) write long ass stories. Ima just say something that is on either side. Religion, whether it starts war's or not doesnt matter. Everyone IS different and it is our "competitive" nature as human beings to fight over everything. Thats what makes us humans. You say that we have religion so we have a god to have a scapegoat, yet your scapegoat for war IS religion itself. Whether there is a god or not doesnt matter either. I believe in God. I was born, raised, baptised, and confirmed catholic, yet i dont believe in the catholic religion. I believe most of the catholic religion is man-made. Not eating meat for lent, wtf is that shit. Where does it say u need to...idc. Purgatory is man-made. Jesus died so he can open the gates of heaven for the ppl who have good hearts whether or not they make mistakes. Nobody is perfect like God is. Why have purgatory to go to before hand to make up for your sins... IMO, purgatory is here, earth, reality. I choose to be christian. I believe in one god. I believe in Jesus. I believe in the Holy Spirit, as some sort of "gut instinct" or a "3rd nature." Living the way i do makes me a better person as a whole, keeps me from stupid fights, prevents me from killing ppl, keeps me honest. After all, wouldnt you rather live an honest life then a life of lies? Whether someone believes in religion or not, or if its real or not, is none of anyones concern. Yes some ppl blame there fighting and killing on religion, and get sent to jail by the law anyway. But who is to say they wont put the blame somewhere else. Son of Sam did, he blamed the talking dog... Yea, you may fight for what you believe in that there is NO religion, but that will just piss off the next person who believes in religion and he will kill in the name of god. Its one big circle of shit that cannot be stopped. Instead of focusing on if religion is real or not, if the past really did happen, if there really is an invisible force, we should focus on the present, and live our honest lives, instead of concerning ourselves with the way others live it. gLiTch out. Glitch I read this and I am so happy to see that someone acully gets it. You understand what religion is about and the real cause of the problem. I got nothing to add to your post. Anonymous wrote ... Here is a question for you and I know some of you may whine or complain about this question but whatever...there are many different forms of this question but here is one: (presuming god is all powerful as religion makes him out to be) can god create a burrito so hot that he himself cannot eat it? You stole that from the Simpsons. It still is a good philosophical question though. I'm afraid you will have to wait till you die to find out the answer to that question lol. Jesus[tzahal wrote ... ] "Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-boggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof for the nonexistence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. "Oh that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white, and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing." First part is no it is not so imposable that things evolved the way they did. What is more imposable is the fact we have a planet that can support the creation of life. The chance of that are far far far lower and the fact that life started acully is even lower. The thing about that is probability you see there are enough planets that we are a inevitability. So many infnate number of plants means that we would have happened on one of them and most likely on other planets there are other lifeforms that are different possibility that didn't happen on this planet. If you wish to go the god way then you could think that god created this system so we evolved in a system he set up even then you are saying that we were brought about by evolution and chance. The 2 theory can live side by side and Darwin who made the theory didn't want to kill religion as he stated before he released it. Also far stranger things have happened by nature alone without man or god's help. (of course you could argue that god created nature and there for it was god's work) That last part is hitchhikers guild to the galexsy but you messed up the quote a bit. |
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Actually, the whole quote was from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and I do not think that I have messed up the quote. I believe in evolution, but there could still be a higher power that just sparked the chain. I am simply stating that there cannot be proof of god. " what i meant to be discussed in this topic is if there is an "All Powerful Being" we have been raised to view as god and if it affects our everyday lives." There is a faith that you believe in the higher power god, but if you know that he exists, then you lose your faith, and rather you are just worshipping a person. As he is a spirit that you cannot see, you can only believe that he is out there looking out for you. |
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| Pockyninja |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
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Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PM Posts: 704 |
I don't remember the zebra part. As for the rest of the quote it goes something more like. Man says to god "I want proof that you exsist." "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Man then says "I have the answer it is the babel fish. A creature like that is to strange have evolved. There for you exist and there for you don't." The god dispears in a puff of logic. as for faith your right on it. |
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Religion has been used as an excuse for war since the dawn of civilization because it is the one thing that you can get the common person riled up enough to fight for. Notice I said excuse. War is generally about exercising power. Fundamentalist Islam (or Christianity) is very useful for maintaining power because it dictates how one should live in regards to nearly every single aspect of life. It replaces secular law and brings divine reason for said laws, making it even more consequential to the believer. I myself am an agnostic atheist; meaning that while I do not believe in god personally I am not going to be so hard-headed as to claim that it (god) cannot exist. No one can or will ever know that. Furthermore, I see the existence of a god as irrelevant. The world has ended up the way it is regardless of whether there is a supreme being or not, making the point moot. And as for the Hitchhiker's quote, yes, the part about the zebra crossing immediately follows the bit about god disappearing in a puff of logic. |
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That above post was mine. Whoops! | ||
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| czar casm |
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Joined: Wed Jan 03 2007, 05:16AMPosts: 18 |
Oh god damnit...both previous posts were mine. Damned login. Edited Wed Apr 11 2007, 03:23PM | ||
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