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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
Rim wrote ... Normally, I would just let it go and leave it to chance, but there have been alot of pretty fucked up things said, I believe and I wanted the chance to put the time line together and defend myself, so to speak. First things first. As far as my return and everything that goes along with it: Notice the first thing I did when I returned to CSS was make the post "I'm Back Bitches!!!". I didn't go buy a server first, I didn't start wearing the USN tag till after and for a few good reasons. I expected to be welcomed back, that wasn't the case cause of the "new clan rules" or whatever. Yeah, the people that remembered you said hi, and those who have never met you said howdy as well. So you were 'welcomed' and 'welcomed back' into the community. Clearly you expected to be welcomed back into the clan too but over time, things change and players come and go. The 'new clan rules' that have been in effect for almost a year state that a nomination must be posted and the clan members vote accordingly. I guess you thought that you didn't have to go through the process because of your past involvement, but I suppose that things aren't as you remembered them. The membership is comprised of people whom you have never met nor have met you, so it defeats the purpose of a 'clan' in the first place if its members are not known to eachother. You shouldn't take it personally, its an administrative matter and given the emphasis placed on finding suitable applicants, it is a procedure that is taken pretty seriously given that we seldom vote on much else. The time of your return to the time the thread opened is relatively close so many people have tried to think far back as a way to gauge your merits and there are many who were not around when you were,,, so it makes the process that much more 'involved' especially with regards to debate over minimum hour and post requirements. Rim wrote ... I did see the point that Nostie made about all the new members and how my seniority might have counted had many others from my era been around, but that wasn't the case. Dude, some people that remembered you from 'your era' voted yes, and most members are not new, they are only "new to you". No need to patronize our close-knit membership or discredit your,,, 'seniority'. Rim wrote ... I bought the server 3 days after I got back or so WHILE still trying to talk to Alex/Nostie/Narf, etc about getting back into FT. You came back on the 6th, and bought the server around the 9th. I'm sure that Alex/Nostie/Narf suggested that you get a nomination going because just throwing on the tag wouldn't be Kosher with us 'new guys'. Rim wrote ... I made the decision to start USN AFTER because it wasn't seeming very likely that I was gonna be accepted right back, however, and Alex can verify this, even after I started USN, I was still asking Alex to add my server to the FT network and add USN as a subclan to FT just like F7L5 and DAWG. So you bought the server on or about the 9th. Your nomination didn't start until the 10th and got off to a strong start in your favor. As of now (4am Monday Morn) you still have more Yes votes than No votes. At what point did you decide that it "wasn't seeming very likely that I was gonna be accepted right back" You bought the server prior to the commencement of the voting (which at this point, is still in your favor) Why did you rush to start USN? The votes haven't been collected much less counted. Clearly, given the "Rim and DarkNarf are clan leaders" advert on your server, you don't want to be part of FT as much as you want to be leader of your own clan. If you wanted to be in FT, you would have waited for the results before deciding to make a new clan. You asked Noname to start your proposal, he did, why wouldn't you wait for the results or for that matter, why hurry to get a server so soon? The "new clan rules" make it so that there are no leaders, its democratic,,, you know, that thing that you fought to provide for Iraq. Yeah, it suits us fine but for you, having everybody as equals with no special interest given to 'seniority' means a demotion in your eyes. Eh Chief? Rim wrote ... He was kool with it, just concerned that we might be adding too many new servers too quick, as the D2 server was just recently added, that's why I haven't added yet. No on to defending myself: Why buy a server and start a clan if not for the 'leadership props' that you seek? Were the 3 existing FT servers not adequate enough for you to play on, even as a Regular? You want to add the server to the Fish Tank community, but as it stands, you are very adament about starting your own clan. How can you fit the words "Fish Tank" in front of "UberStrikeNation Classic Maps 18+/FF Rim wrote ... The only other thing I had was about Goose. I notice that he is FINALLY FT, so that being the case, I acknowledge that he should have an opinion. Rolf! Now that Rim acknowledges my presence, I have been granted the privledge to form an opinion. Eh dipshit or Chief or whatever you wanna be called, refrain from talking down to me in that pompus, coy, condescending manner. "I notice that he is FINALLY FT, so that being the case, I acknowledge that he should have an opinion." Should read... "I notice that Rim is no longer FT, so that being the case, I do not acknowledge that he should have an opinion." Sounds stupid? Canada thanks you for the Oil, Chief. Rim wrote ... What to keep in mind, and older members can verify, he couldn't get into to the old FT cause he was always doing dumb shit on the server and he was one of my favorite to punish cause the stupid stuff happened so often, ie. Spamming, Team Flashing, Team Killing, quitting rejoining to play same round, etc. I used to teleport him to oppisite team spawn at the start of every round after he did something stupid ( purposely, like I said, Old FT can verify) and we would have a grand old time. I never tried to get into the Old FT, I didn't even visit a FT site until Jan 06 (joined in Mar 06) Yeah, back in the day I had fun being an ass. I especially liked it when you would abuse me for doing nothing which only prompted me to throw a flashbang at your feet. But don't forget that I offered to make peace by requesting the 20 second rule and although I got off to a shaky start, that only meant that I had to work extra hard over a significant period of time to prove myself... I never walked around expecting to be granted anything, like you. Rim wrote ... So, though he is part of FT now, and does obviously have an opinion, I would call him biased because I was one that was most against his joining the old FT along with Ian, Nostie, Kamikazi, Omega, etc. Again, I never asked to be part of the old FT and had no clue about your objections to me 'joining'... This is the first I'm hearing of it, over a year and a half later. You call my opinion biased based on frivolous assertions... Last time I checked, in the democracy that is FT, any member can vote as they choose and voice their opinion because it all counts equally... What is it that you were doing there in Iraq if not protecting democracy? Oh yeah, you were filling my gastank. Rim wrote ... And as far as the "wanting to get my server on FT so I can see it succeed" that would be a pretty counterproductive move, I think considering that the only server I've really seen anyone on since I've been back is Office. The new D2 server never has anyone on it and if that one isn't successful yet, why would I think mine would be any more so? I could be alot more successful doing some sort of custom mod and going on my own. That's not what I want, tho. I want to bring a classic map rotation and some of the Nipper maps that us old FT used to love back into FT. So what you're saying is that your server wasn't full of F7L5'ers on Sunday afternoon? You think that you can throw on a Custom mod and go it alone and have more success than being associated with FT? You think that adding a server to FT is 'a pretty counterproductive move'? That's naive arrogance and downright insulting to the clan that you are trying to join. You've been away for years but you want to bring 'Nipper Maps' back to FT, yet in the 5 days of your return, you have not played on the Surf server that you (in part) take credit for? I fail to see why you wouldn't want to play on the 3 existing FT servers. You don't like them so you start your own server/clan and site on the way, yet you want to be under the FT umbrella? Groovy, back for 5 days with a server and a hasty nomination with a rush to add the server to FT and connections never crossed your mind. Maybe the point of a community clan is to get to know your fellow players and have a certain level of familiarity,,, your actions blow that premise out of the water. Edited Mon Mar 12 2007, 08:36PM |
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Registered Member #561
Joined: Sun Feb 04 2007, 07:45AMPosts: 1109 |
Goose, Rim was on Surf for a bit one day, I remember playing with him. | ||
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That one guy...
Registered Member #250
Joined: Tue May 09 2006, 11:59PMPosts: 2603 |
yeah, i've seen rim in both surf and office in the past few days/week... | ||
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Registered Member #164
Joined: Tue Mar 07 2006, 12:07PMPosts: 3146 |
its sad that people are being this way to you rim. its a shame that the newer members dont know you and dont care. i dont even think you need a nomination to get back in ft. if you dont make it in it will certify the carelessness of this so called community. | ||
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Registered Member #586
Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 09:29PMPosts: 13 |
K, so now that I've been blasted for defending myself, lol, let me just say: 1. Yes, the new server has had SOME traffic, but not in any way, shape or form the amount of traffic on Office or Surf so just because it was full one day for a matter of 2 hours doesn't mean anything. 2. No insult intended in saying that bringing my server into FT would be counterproductive, just stating the obvious fact (obvious to me so I'm sure obvious to all others) that Dust 2 rarely has any traffic either so if my intentions were to come into FT just to get populated, it wouldn't be very productive. To come into FT to provide more map options to the clan, on he other hand, which is my intention, that would be productive. 3. In the 4 days since I bought the server, I think I've spent a total combined time of about 4 hours in there. I've spent closer to 20, by my estimation, in Office. Just cause you haven't been there to see me doesn't mean I haven't been there Goose. 4. I'm not even gonna try to disect and defend against the rest of the idiocracy in your post cause I've been thru it already. You can make your claims and try to play detective all you want, the simple fact remains that you don't know shit, you're just bitter now cause I was one that wouldn't allow you to join the OLD FT, whether you'll admit it or not (God I wish Krem kept all the old forum posts so I could quote him begging...). Anyway, I'm glad that you don't want to see my status reinstated Goose cause whether it is or isn't I would still tell you to shove your opinion up your ass. And hope we never cross paths my friend, cause you may find yourself a bit black and blue if we do due to your remarks regarding my service to my country. You can say anything you want concerning the clan and my online identity, but don't ever talk down toward the honor of my service or those kids dying over there so you won't be stuck learning Arabic. |
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Registered Member #355
Joined: Sun Jul 23 2006, 06:38AMPosts: 244 |
IDK I think there should be a sticky/readfirst to prevent this from happening again in the future. IMO both sides makes goods points though. | ||
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Registered Member #561
Joined: Sun Feb 04 2007, 07:45AM Posts: 1109 |
You can say anything you want concerning the clan and my online identity, but don't ever talk down toward the honor of my service or those kids dying over there so you won't be stuck learning Arabic. Bravo! Good ending imo |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PM Posts: 1592 |
Rim wrote ... 1. Yes, the new server has had SOME traffic, but not in any way, shape or form the amount of traffic on Office or Surf so just because it was full one day for a matter of 2 hours doesn't mean anything. My point is that the traffic you recieved was from FT's, which is why you wanted to be associated with the community in the first place. That's in part why I voted No, because your intentions are selfish. Rim wrote ... 2. No insult intended in saying that bringing my server into FT would be counterproductive, just stating the obvious fact (obvious to me so I'm sure obvious to all others) that Dust 2 rarely has any traffic either so if my intentions were to come into FT just to get populated, it wouldn't be very productive. To come into FT to provide more map options to the clan, on he other hand, which is my intention, that would be productive. Exactly, you wanted FT's to play on your mapcycle and you constantly shit on D2 and the efforts made by Wild/Jigg/Night and the community to try to get that server off the ground. Rim wrote ... 3. In the 4 days since I bought the server, I think I've spent a total combined time of about 4 hours in there. I've spent closer to 20, by my estimation, in Office. Just cause you haven't been there to see me doesn't mean I haven't been there Goose. Well, I do have HLSW so I see more than you think, Rim. Pstats for FTC: 7.5 hours and Surf Pstats are empty. So why not play in the community as a Regular to get to know everyone before making a number of hasty and shady actions? Rim wrote ... 4. I'm not even gonna try to disect and defend against the rest of the idiocracy in your post cause I've been thru it already. You can make your claims and try to play detective all you want, the simple fact remains that you don't know shit, you're just bitter now cause I was one that wouldn't allow you to join the OLD FT, whether you'll admit it or not (God I wish Krem kept all the old forum posts so I could quote him begging...). Quote me begging to get into old FT? Again, this current site is the only FT site that I have ever had knowledge of, and I only registered March of 06,,, after FT fell apart. So your claims are bogus. Rim wrote ... Anyway, I'm glad that you don't want to see my status reinstated Goose cause whether it is or isn't I would still tell you to shove your opinion up your ass. And hope we never cross paths my friend, cause you may find yourself a bit black and blue if we do due to your remarks regarding my service to my country. You can say anything you want concerning the clan and my online identity, but don't ever talk down toward the honor of my service or those kids dying over there so you won't be stuck learning Arabic. Oh please. I'm all for the Iraqi war. I realize that Western economies are dependant on oil and if we need to take it, then so be it. I realize that its not moral or a just war, but if we are better off in the end, then thats fine. The difference is that you think that you are 'protecting American freedoms', when really you are 'protecting American economic interests'. You are servicing not only your country, but my country (Canada) as well with a 24 hour Full-Serve abundance of stolen Iraqui resources. What threat did Iraq pose to US civil freedoms? They didn't even have the WMDs to screw over their neighbors, much less another continent. You actually believe that the US government spent hundreds of billions of taxpayer's dollars to give Iraq the present of Democracy and Freedom? Its clear that this investment was well spent given that Iraq sits on $3 trillion worth of oil, so while Iraqis are preoccupied with a highly inefficient voting system, we are free to rape their resources for our own end. The same reason why the US sends a care basket full of rice and Tylenol to Africa, a place where real government corruption, disease, strife is present,,, but they lack a viable resource to exploit so helping them out doesn't help 'America's economic interests'. Saddam could have remained in power until the day he died and US freedoms would not have been affected. I'm all for the Iraqi war because I realize that its in my country's economic interests. You support the war under a cloud of ignorance thinking that you are spreading democracy for the greater good of humanity,,, Realize that you have been mislead. But I do thank you for filling my gastank and ensuring that the Western economic structure can maintain itself just that much longer. Before I get too political, I'm going to wrap up my thoughts on this matter by quoting Nostie whom has been in contact with Rim lately. And no, its not to slam Nostie, rather it is to show the obvious regarding Rim's intentions. Seems a bit ironic, but funny and telling none the less... [01:31] Nostie: wtf? a goose? [01:32] Nostie: hey [01:32] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: hi [01:33] Nostie: i disagreed with you about Rim [01:33] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: so? [01:33] Nostie: and he told me he's not leaving until July (and he might not then) [01:33] Nostie: just filling you in [01:33] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: i dont care [01:33] Nostie: k [01:33] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: thats only a few months anyways [01:34] Nostie: he'll not leave for long [01:34] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: you do realize that he only wants to be associated with FT for the connecton count for his server, right? [01:35] Nostie: i persuaded him for that reason [01:35] Nostie: you're against FT spreading too wide i take it? [01:35] Nostie: it is a concern of mine [01:36] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: well i think his motives for wanting into FT woul d be selfish [01:36] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: he would rather wear the [USN] tag, but have FT people populate his 'rotation' server [01:37] Nostie: i agree he did want to go on his own [01:37] Nostie: I think he reconsidered [01:37] [FT].:BuBBLe GooSe:.: so hes using FTs, nice I've said all I want to. Edited Mon Mar 12 2007, 08:39PM |
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Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
So goose, what happened to xfire posts being 1 on 1 conversations? You told me that xfire posts would be 1 on 1 conversations when we were talking about racism. You didn't even take the time to ask my permission to post that. you're just digging deeper to try and bury Rim. You make huge posts about shit that you don't understand (you have no idea what's going through Rim's head, so don't act like you do) and you make it seem like you know what you're talking about. You are a condescending prick, and you need to 'refrain' (in your words) from making this clan such a drama/fuckfest Edited Mon Mar 12 2007, 09:08PM | ||
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PM Posts: 1592 |
nostie wrote ... So goose, what happened to xfire posts being 1 on 1 conversations? You told me that xfire posts would be 1 on 1 conversations when we were talking about racism. Yeah, I reassured you that I wouldn't add any of your XFire comments to my sig. Our convo was after the situation cooled off a bit, and I took the sig down shortly after too. nostie wrote ... You are a condescending prick, and you need to 'refrain' (in your words) from making this clan such a drama/fuckfest Have you forgotten the shitstorm that your 8 page debate on Racism caused? -[link]- Nice to see that you didn't argue the content of the quote, you kinda just helped to make my point. |
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