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AKA cupcake
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Joined: Fri Aug 04 2006, 03:38AMPosts: 858 |
Article from time.com -[link]-,8599,1604546,00.html By Robert Baer "You wouldn't be wrong to wonder if Iran hasn't lost its mind seizing the 15 British marines and sailors, and in so doing, handing Bush a casus belli even he couldn't have imagined. But then again you'd be missing the grim fatalism that has settled over Iran of late, the resigned belief that a war with the U.S. is all but inevitable. This week Iranian diplomats are telling interlocutors that, yes, they realize seizing the Brits could lead to a hot war. But, they point out, it wasn't Iran that started taking hostages — it was the U.S., when it arrested five members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Erbil in Northern Iraq on January 11. They are diplomats, the Iranians insist. They were in Erbil with the approval of the Kurds and therefore, they argue, are under the protection of the Vienna Convention. Iranian grievances, real and perceived, don't stop there. Tehran is convinced the U.S. or one of its allies was behind the March 2006 separatist violence in Iranian Baluchistan, which ended up with 20 people killed, including an IRGC member executed. And the Iranians believe there is more to come, accusing the U.S. of training and arming Iranian Kurds and Azeris to go back home and cause problems. Needless to say the Iranians are not happy there are American soldiers on two of its borders, as well as two carriers and a dozen warships in the Gulf. You call this paranoia? they ask. The Bush Administration is doing nothing to allay Tehran's paranoia. With the largest buildup in the Gulf since the start of this Iraq war, it's actually fanning it. You have to wonder if Bush is counting on the Iranians' overreacting the way they did when they seized our embassy in 1979. And lest we forget, this was driven by paranoia that we were plotting to destroy the revolution. Add this to the rest of the bad news coming out of the Gulf, and things look pretty grim. The "surge," despite what some claim, has barely made a dent in the violence in Iraq. Our Arab allies are jumping ship, apparently as fast as they can. At the opening of the Arab summit on Wednesday, Saudi King Abdallah accused the U.S of illegally occupying Iraq. The day before, the leader of the United Arab Emirates sent his foreign minister to Tehran to tell the Iranians he would not allow the U.S. to use UAE soil to attack Iran. That leaves us with Kuwait and Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki to face Iran. I called up an Arab Gulf security official and asked him what he thought about it all. He said the view from his side of the Gulf is that if Iran does not soon release the Brits, a war between the U.S. and Iran is in the cards. "I for one am taking all the cash I can out of my ATM," he said before hanging up. " What do you guys think? I think that if we went to war against Iran, we would probably have a hard time winning, they have 545,000 troops in active service (we have 1.42 million), they have 350,000 reservists (we have 1.26 million) and they have 11 million paramilitary troops- civilians trained and organized in a military fashion- we have 53,000 but if the Draft is instituted there would be more. But numbers of troops don't really matter, you need to take into account training, weapons, equipment, planes, tanks, etc. They are, by current standards, a pretty modernized military. If you want me to list their military equipment, ask and you shall recieve. Edited Sun Apr 01 2007, 01:10AM |
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Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
Why the fuck would WE go to war with them? The brits should stop being pussies and fight back about it. why did the iranians respond to US taking prisoners by taking brits? Now yeah, if britain goes to war, so will we... but britain should declare before us. And hasn't iran said that whoever declares war on them first gets the nuke they claim to have made? |
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#woo
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Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PMPosts: 665 |
List it. The USA and Brit-land will fuck Iran up, in my opinion. These 2 are one of the World's most powerful forces, and a country like Iran doesn't stand a chance. Let's remember who Iran descends from. Freaking Persians. Thats right. I say we send in the best trained 300 US troops, they kick some arse. Than other countries help us by sending their soldiers, and BAM BAM Iran (Persia) is over and done with. My Opinion's FAQs: Q: But Bleek! This is maddness?!" A: Heh. Madness? THIS IS SPARTA!!1! |
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AKA cupcake
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Joined: Fri Aug 04 2006, 03:38AM Posts: 858 |
heres their military equipment: First, their planes- no reliable numbers estimates F-14s-(bought from us, of course) about 25 F-4s-kind of out dated about 50 F-5s-ditto about 50 F-6s-ditto n.k. F-7s-ditto n.k. SU-24s- around 24 Saeqehs- Other types of warplanes including MiG-23s and 29s about 65 Panha 2091-a reverse engineered U.S. Cobra. Surface to air missiles: -I-Hawk (Improved version of the original US Hawk system) -Tigercat about 10 -SA-2 Guideline about 10 -Misagh1 about 10 Artillery: M-110 about 30 M-109 about 160 M-107 about 30 M-101 about 130 M-114 about 70 M-46 about 1000 All are US stationary or self-propelled. Small arms & man portable rockets Numbers- Couldn't find anything, best guess is alot of guns and rockets... -Khaybar KH2002 an Iranian designed 5.56x45 mm bullpup rifle -SPG-9 -Zoaf Pistol 9 mm -Sig P-226 Pistol -AKM Cal. 7.62x39 mm (supplemented by limited numbers of AK-47 and Type 56 rifles), main service rifle alongside the G3A6 -Heckler & Koch G3A6 Cal. 7.62x51 mm ], main service rifle alongside the AKM -Heckler & Koch MG3 Cal. 7.62x51 mm -Tondar Sub-Machine Gun 9x19 mm (MP5) -PKM -Dragunov Sniper Rifle -Steyr HS .50 -M-16 A2 -RPG-7 -RBS-70 -SA-7 Grail -SA-16 Gimlet -SA-18 Grouse Tanks: -Zulfiqar 1,2,3 (Iranian Origin) -Safir-74 (Iranian Origin) Russian -T-72 about 480 -T-62 about 75 -Soviet T-55/54 Variants about 540 US -Chieftain about 100-200 -M-60A1 about 150 -M-47 around 168 surface to surface missiles- no reliable numbers estimates -Kh-55 Granat cruise missile (Tomahawk) -Fajr-3 (range-n.k., similar to the shahab missile) -Shahab-3 (range- 2200 km) -Scud-b/c about 300 and launchers around 15 Type-63 700 AT-3 Sagger AT-4 Spigot AT-5 Spandrel Dragon TOW That is most of their equipment, and doesn't include how many. Ill edit this later for the numbers of tanks, planes, etc. Edited Sun Apr 01 2007, 02:25AM |
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Sir
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Joined: Tue Oct 10 2006, 01:13PMPosts: 2628 |
We were having this very conversation in game today. The only reason we're in Iraq is to have a better foothold in the middle east to launch an invasion on a country like Saudi Arabia or, get this, Iran. Makes perfect sense when u look at it that way. |
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Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PM Posts: 3167 |
i like to bring this point up whenever i talk about the war in iraq... what if bush just wanted revenge on saddam for attempting to kill his daddy? | ||
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Meteor 2016
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Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
I hope they nuke us. I'd like to make my death quick and full of evaporation. Nonetheless, I'd see myself gladly accepting being drafted. With a military that big, it'd be all the firefighting I wished for. | ||
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PM Posts: 3167 |
I'm 16, so this is right about the time we're going to go to war with iran, and I'm going to get drafted along with you guys. I'm not sure if i want to be or not. I'm kind of thinking i want to kick some terrorist ass, but i don't want to die over someone elses war. | ||
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Registered Member #514
Joined: Wed Dec 20 2006, 06:33AMPosts: 1067 |
Kevin, it doesn't matter how little or how much equipment Iran has if we end up going to war with them. We have the only thing that matters.... The United States Marine Corps!! Nuff said. |
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scope_uk
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Joined: Thu Aug 17 2006, 10:20PMPosts: 598 |
S.A.S Nuff said. Goto agree with you, we should go over there and get our men back. America will dominate them and Brit-land's S.A.S will fuck them in the rear. Theres too much "oh what about all the innocent people". It doesn't look like they care about innocent people so why should we. |
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