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b4ndito
Registered Member #958
Joined: Fri Jan 04 2008, 06:59AMPosts: 3385 |
Pracket wrote ... Some admins enforce it.. others.. meh. I've seen it enforced quite often, actually. We can't necessarily change the rule or enforce it without forcibly marching CT's to imminent and painful doom. There are plenty of admin messages WARNING (emphasis on that word) CT's not to camp, but if they aren't in front office, front or back yard, or garage (at say, 1 minute or so), they can't really do anything about it. Also, do we ever have admins sitting in specc just watching 24/7? No, they are playing also, and generally aren't dead in the first minute to specc campers. Edit: I like cheese. Edited Thu Feb 28 2008, 05:01AM |
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| Jesus[tzahal] |
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Registered Member #530
Joined: Wed Jan 03 2007, 10:56PMPosts: 807 |
i'm just throwing it out there, but... is it more productive to have four or five counter-terrorists circle jerk each other in back hall or storage room or to wait for the retards to meet their fate (and hopefully they learn from it the first five thousand times...)? You need to take into account that just going for the hosties can lead to your team getting ultra-fucked, and then a whole slew of people who get aggravated because five guys die by one nade or they start spraying and hit their teammates etc. it should definately be enforced, but then again, discretion needs to be taken into consideration. if a person is just chilling in snipers nest, then yes... he needs to be dealt with. If the person is considering his options in regards to how they can approach T spawn, or how his teammates are about to get mowed down with 1 bullet to 5 skulls cause they are all lined up, why punish? Now that I have said my piece on the camping policy discretion thingy, let me toss this out as well -- sometimes I am the only admin on in the server and I may not be paying attention to the game. As a matter of fact, more than often I am alt tabbing repeatedly in between deaths to deal with my team, my real life friends on MSN, or my work as a CEVO admin. If there is somebody camping, I may not ALWAYS catch it, but hey, reminding someone about it can never hurt, right? If you toss a @ message towards me (or whoever else may be doing something along similar lines as me) saying "hey, this guy is camping repeatedly, what's up?" then I would probably either say "he can't do much about it in his situation" or "ah sorry, I wasn't paying attention, I'll look out for it". After all, we aren't devoted to purely keeping the server running, we are out to have fun and attend to our other commitments as well  cheers |
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| gLiTch |
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Anal Assassin
Registered Member #455
Joined: Mon Oct 09 2006, 04:58AMPosts: 3848 |
I like how u want to help the server pracket, but i think the rules are fine as is. You also have to understand, you cant just rush into hostie rooms and rescue them. If there are 35 seconds left, and its say 2cts vs 3-4 Ts... i still believe they SHOULDNT rush in, and just take thier time and try to eliminate the terrorists. Even at 45 seconds i would want them to do the same thing, cuz CTs have a higher probability of winning by strategically eliminating the terrorists, then by just rushing in there to die. I warn about CT camping a lot, but im hesitant on the slay button. SO far every time ive warned and not slayed, the next round they dont camp. I get the job done, and so far im still yet to get a complaint on harsh admining. Im very fair, and too nice. When i do warn, its usually cuz someone is by front office, garage window, or front stairs at 1 minute left. BTW, anyone who wants to speed up the game even more, should just un-install and play something different. Our round times for a 22 player server are 2:15. Most office servers ive played on have times ranged from 3:00 to 4:15. We have it good. If you want to play any faster then it is now, go play Call of Duty 4 or Day of Defeat. Rules are fine. Admins are fine. Edited Thu Feb 28 2008, 07:12AM |
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| 5 Dollar Holler |
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Registered Member #494
Joined: Tue Nov 21 2006, 12:47AMPosts: 381 |
heres my 2 cents with your suggestion Pracket, and I haven't really read many of the replies so sorry if this is repetitive. What is an "attempt" in those 35-40 seconds? Sometimes I'm just on a team full of mentally retarded children and going that fast would kill me. Sometimes I can go even faster than that. | ||
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| Jesus[tzahal] |
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Registered Member #530
Joined: Wed Jan 03 2007, 10:56PM Posts: 807 |
Ah, to add to what Glitch said, CAL and CEVO play with a 1:20 timer which is a whole minute less than FTC's round timer... and 1:20 is plenty of time to try to work one site, fall back and hit the other. It's all situational and unless they are blatantly wasting everyone's time then ... well, the person is just trying to win. | ||
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| NoSkill |
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Sir
Registered Member #457
Joined: Tue Oct 10 2006, 01:13PMPosts: 2628 |
Also if there's a better than half chance that the one remaining CT is going to meet the remaining T's in the last seconds of a round I won't slay. Regardless of objective. There are two ways to win the round. Rescue all the hosties or eliminate the opposing team. If the person left is fighting, or in the process of fighting, I won't slay. Hosties aren't the sole objective. Waiting in bathroom when you hear T's pouring out of Paper with 30 seconds left is fine by me. You're probably going to die anyway. |
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| Omni |
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terrible one
Registered Member #33
Joined: Tue Nov 29 2005, 11:50PMPosts: 1292 |
Ok it seems there is a Rift in this thread, the topic has been split into two sections: 1.)Admin enforcement and 2)Vagueness of the rule set. I will then address these separately. 2.) You argue a very narrow POV on this; It would speed the game up a considerable amount if counter terrorists at least ATTEMPTED to get into projecter to rescue the hostages by the 35-40 second mark. Any later then that would not give CT's enough time to rescue the hostages. They only hold the game up. As specific as it gets, and with many other factors not included. Such as the 200 Ts camping proj. It is sometimes necessary for CTs to post (just as the Ts are) and pick a few Ts that decide to move from their holes. This is only one example of what other factors go into deciding when some1 is camping, let alone the infinite other contingencies (i.e. the players, amt of players, weapon being used, actual time left, etc.) . Dont make admins predict the future to forecast where and where not exactly a CT SHOULD engage a Ts, Otherwise i am making a rule that not CT reloading any fully automatic rifles in bathrooms between 59 and 43 seconds of any round or they will be slayed. see how it can all be distorted and cause conflict with anal retentive, stiff rules? Now to move on to the admins involvement. 1.)If this is what the thread is now officially about and i just spent my time beating a dead horse then there is not even a need for a post. Pracket wrote ... It is an admin conduct issue and can be brought up with ops and LA, not the community. You should have then presented it as a concern. not an open forum for us all to discuss like a clan issue. it is an operation issue.Some admins enforce it.. others.. meh. On another note, we handpick our admins and try to choose players that are both responsible and aware. Maybe you should suggest we have a better screening process, OR players should enforce the rules like admins and set an example. B.c you cannot tell me you have not camped or bent rules, Mr. Nade-spammer-till-i-CANNOT-throw-them-even-though-I'm-told- to-stop. Thanks to steel I will bring up possibly adding something (sorry it will be vague, TOO!!) like this to the MOTD: If you toss a @ message towards me (or whoever else may be doing something along similar lines as me) saying "hey, this guy is camping repeatedly, what's up?" then I would probably either say "he can't do much about it in his situation" Something along the linse, 'Don't hesitate to let an admin know he is missing something. All you have to do is type (Without quotes): " @ message " bandito gets the best post of February award. A swift win with this comment: Also, do we ever have admins sitting in specc just watching 24/7? No, they are playing also, and generally aren't dead in the first minute to specc campersA close second goes to Steel with this comment: he needs to be dealt with. If the person is considering his options in regards to how they can approach T spawn, or how his teammates are about to get mowed down with 1 bullet to 5 skulls cause they are all lined up, why punish? anyone who wants to speed up the game even more, should just un-install and play something different. Quake I Fastest FPS Made to date. One final thing: I apologize for my aggressiveness, do not take it personally, But your anti-camping policy resembles the policies Stalin used in the Soviet Union; Stupid, grim, and destined to fail. I am merely attacking your policy, not you as a pseron. I am not sure if i worded that all properly, W/E, i tried. Edited Thu Feb 28 2008, 06:21PM |
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| yourdroid |
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Registered Member #36
Joined: Thu Dec 01 2005, 06:12PMPosts: 214 |
Ct camping is a matter of perception 9 times out of 10. If they are crouched in a corner of garage or by snowman mid-way through the round then it is easy. Otherwise it is up to reasonable analysis. If he is sitting at back window when his team has a 5-2 advantage i'll slap because it is no longer a "trying to pick off a T to advance" kind of wait. If they are down 5-2 and the Ts have been moving around at double doors then it is reasonable to assume they are trying to pick off a t so they don't get raped by 3 guys once they move. Also it may be difficult to denote camping in one round, especially if they are new to the server, or the admin. If they show a lack of effort to advance for a few rounds then it is obviously camping tendencies and a warning can go out. I try to spec anyone who may be camping when i die, but i can't see everyone or watch someone every round. |
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