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peacebypeice
Thu Oct 08 2009, 07:14AM Print
peacebypeice
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What are you, anti-Jesus?
1:30amSteve

lol

at mi casa
1:30amMark

What in fuck's name.

Is that?
1:30amSteve

my house duh

and i'm not the anti-christ
1:30amMark

I don't speak beaner, K?

Lol.

You just hate Jesus?
1:30amSteve

indeed

well idk if i hate the man

just what he stands for
1:31amMark

I wouldn't hate him.
1:31amSteve

jesus probably was a decent fellow
1:31amMark

He's a completely unselfish guy.

Died for the good of everyone else.

And it's taken for grantted.
1:31amSteve

only in storybooks
1:31amMark

Overlooked.

I doubt that's a fable.
1:31amSteve

child hood fairy tales

the book of if
1:31amMark

Lol.

Or the book of logic.

I see things this way.

When you take a look at a human cell.
1:31amSteve

if the it were the book of logic..logic wouldn't fight against it
1:32amMark

Or a human as a whole.

Or any species that has genetic matierial.

You break it all down.
1:32amSteve

you get evolution
1:32amMark

You break it down to the chromosomes and how precisely stranded they are.

How no human is alike.

Different finger prints.
1:33amMark

Different personalities.

Nobody looks alike.

And then you compare it to something man-made that is considered a big screaming deal.

Such as a watch.

And then you think. How could something with so much detail in it evolve like that? Because a scientist told me it happened like this with no valid proof.

Isn't it quite hypocritical of me to disprove anything else?
1:34amSteve

the fact that you say evolve when defending religion disregards all your statements
1:34amMark

I don't believe in religion.

Lol.

Religion is man-made.
1:34amSteve

lol

indeed
1:34amMark

I, however, belief in faith.
1:34amSteve

no fight there

and what faith is that?

that jesus died for your sins?

that would be religion
1:35amMark

That's not religion.

Religion is a set of moral standards that one must follow in order to establish perfection, which cannot be achieved.
1:35amSteve

no
1:35amMark

This is why there are wars.

I don't believe in making myself perfect.

Because it's never going to happen.
1:36amSteve

religion is a set practices that that give meaning to higher power
1:36amMark

Yes, I do have faith in Jesus Christ, and I do believe he died for us. It's because compassion exists in human beings.

Yes, bold practices.

And what do you get?

Morality.

Standards.
1:36amSteve

morality is what makes man, man

it's evolution

it is why we are what we are

not because some talked up fellow died for us
1:37amMark

Yeah, but you believing in evolution is the same as me believing in a higher power. There is no valid proof for any of them.

Different personalities.

Evolution hasn't been proved.
1:37amSteve

there is a shit load of proof for evolution
1:37amMark

The very man that invented the theory of evolution disproved it before he died.
1:37amSteve

SHIT LOAD
1:37amMark

The thing about faith is it gives you something to die for.
1:38amSteve

why do you need something to die for?
1:38amMark

Miracles happen.
1:38amSteve

religion and faith are a crutch

for those who can't live without something to die for
1:38amMark

Why not look forward to something to die for?

Everyone is afraid of death.
1:38amSteve

why would i?
1:38amMark

I'm not.
1:38amSteve

contradiction?
1:38amMark

Not at all.
1:38amSteve

everyone but you?

is afraid of death?
1:39amMark

Well, mostly everyone is.

I will poll 100 people.

In the mall.

Ask them.

"Are you afraid of dying?"

I can guarantee the vast majority will say yes.
1:39amSteve

because the majority of people need that crutch
1:39amMark

I never said they needed it.
1:39amSteve

i did
1:40amMark

I'm saying that keeping faith in something gives you inspiration.

If I didn't have that kind of faith, I would have been found in a bloody pool in a bathtub years ago.
1:40amSteve

yes..but i don't need a religious faith to have inspiration to succeed in life and do good things have good morals
1:40amMark

I never said you did.

Lol.

I just don't believe in telling someone they're wrong.
1:40amSteve

i do
1:40amMark

I believe in the free idea of expression and open mindedly discussing it.

But there never is any valid proof behind what happens when you die because nobody knows what's on the other side.
1:41amSteve

our country is run by people believing in an imaginary man in the sky

and that is sad
1:41amMark

Or they say they believe in that because they want to tell people what they want to hear.

Half of the people that are Christians.

Or Catholics.

Are hypocrits.
1:41amSteve

i was raised catholic
1:41amMark

Overly judgmental pricks.

They look down on others.

Because people don't believe in the same things they do.

I'm not like that at all.

I keep my beliefs to myself.
1:42amSteve

i don't
1:42amMark

I put up status updates for people who share the same inspiration as me.

Because being close-minded isn't getting us anywhere.

What do you think politics are?

Close-minded discussions.

Of "What-if's."

Look where what-if's got us.

In a multi-trillion dollar hole.
1:42amSteve

what if's is part of evolution

if you don't think of the future in a what if mind set

there is no evolution
1:43amMark

What-if's are part of religion as well.
1:43amSteve

ya..prophecies

bad spelling
1:43amMark

Idc. I know what you're talking about.

Lol.

One of my favorite quote artists is C.S. Lewis.
1:43amSteve

i noticed
1:43amMark

You would know him as the turned atheist.

Read some of his material.

Sometimes I can't even comprehend what he writes.

Because it's so deep.

That's not a C.S. Lewis quote.

It's not intelligent enough to be.

Lol.
1:44amSteve

oh i know i'm just saying that i've noticed it before

and trust me i'm not trying to sound one sided
1:45amMark

"Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning.
1:45amSteve

because trust me i take everyones opinion into consideration and try to see the other sides...but religion i've disproved so many times because there is so many loopholes it's scary
1:46amMark

There are loopholes, but that's in the new testament.

Old*

I mean.

Starting in Genesis.
1:46amSteve

loop holes in the whole thing

especially the old testament

which much of religion is based on
1:46amMark

I don't even follow the old testament.

It's the old law.

The old law of the Jews.

Which was the law of the prophets. And pharisees.

Not the law of God himself.
1:47amSteve

ok so you believe in the new testament?
1:47amMark

Yup.
1:47amSteve

the new testament is man made

just like religion is

and just to go back a bit

what better way is there to live life from my point of view knowing that this is the only one you have
1:49amMark

Living life ilike it's the only one I've got makes it feel rushed, and makes it feel like I have nothing to live for.
1:49amSteve

if you have faith in religion you could end up like a pastor who spends all their life boring themselves and not doing anything worth a shit only to rot in the ground

i disagree with that
1:49amMark

I'm not selfish enough to live for myself.
1:49amSteve

if you only get one shot to do something but have 60+ years to do it..you shot not be rushed
1:49amMark

And again, nobody knows what happens when they die. It's only a mere belief that you rot in the ground when you die.
1:50amSteve

i'm not selfish either

no it is a fact that yo uwill rot in the ground

lol
1:50amMark

Well, you will.
1:50amSteve

one way or another
1:50amMark

But what about your spirit?
1:50amSteve

don't believe in such a thing
1:50amMark

Even though that things such as possessions exist, you don't believe in spirit?
1:50amSteve

just your imagination
1:51amMark

Eh, if I see someone throwing themselves up against the walls, cups flying off of the shelves for no reason, or people getting scratches on them out of nowhere.

That just doesn't happen by itself.
1:51amSteve

have you seen that?
1:51amMark

I have.

My aunt was possessed.
1:51amSteve

orlly
1:51amMark

She had a stroke.

And was in the hospital.

But she had been possessed.

The thing said its name.

I have no idea what it is, though.

I don't remember its name.
1:52amSteve

i guess i just don't believe that

no disrespect or nothing
1:53amMark

You will have a revolution. Everyone has to have one every now and then.

Until you see it for yourself.

You can't judge.
1:53amSteve

i know i can't..
1:53amMark

The Excorcism of Emily Rose was based on a true story.

Possessions happen. And scientifically, they cannot be explained.
1:53amSteve

yes but you can base a supposed true story on anything

cough the bible
1:54amMark

I don't know. A person that is levitating and shouting blasphemy about a God that it claims exists.

Gave me all the proof I needed to hear.

Yes, levitating.
1:54amSteve

but i have not seen it

then what's keeping this satanic being from possessing anyone?
1:55amMark

They possess you if you want them to.
1:55amSteve

your aunt wanted them to possess her?
1:55amMark

I don't know.
1:55amSteve

well in saying that you are saying that you think your aunt was..well not a very good lady
1:56amMark

Interestingly enough, catholics are the only people that seem to get possessed..
1:56amSteve

that soudns bad

and you called them crazy
1:56amMark

I didn't know her that well.

So she probably was.

Catholics are very different from Christians.

They don't eat fish on Fridays.
1:56amSteve

i know
1:56amMark

Or meat.
1:56amSteve

trust me i know
1:56amMark

Which is very uneccessary.
1:56amSteve

it's man made
1:56amMark

The hail marys.
1:57amSteve

it's only uneccessary if you get enough people to think that it isn't

hence other religions

you get enough people to follow anything

you can't get enough people to fully believe it

can*

imo
1:57amMark

Like Pastafarianism.

The belief in the flying spaghetti monster.

It's an actual religion.
1:58amSteve

yep

i know it is
1:58amMark

They believe that heaven is a giant beer volcano.

tonguetongue
1:58amSteve

you give it 200 years

lol think about lany childhood belief

santa?

the easter bunny?

how long did you believe that?

jesus is the same thing

with more devout followers
1:59amMark

Rearrange the letters in santa and you get Satan. Kind of coincidental a fat red man that gives presents out was invented to sway the real meaning of Christmas.
1:59amSteve

also called saint nicholas
1:59amMark

"December 25th, what's that? CHRISTMAS! I GET PRESENTS!"

"SELF NEEDS! YAYYYY!"

"He got more presents than me. BULLSHIT!"
2:00amSteve

also a christion holiday?
2:00amMark

It's the birth of Christ.
2:00amSteve

bingo
2:00amMark

And the reasoning for gifts.

Is because shepards travelled to his birthplace.

And gave them gifts.
2:00amSteve

and if you look it up..how many other religions have the same base idea

lots

and i mean lots

same birthday

died for other people

yada yada
2:01amMark

All of them are similar. They just have different ways of achieving heaven.

All religions worship the same God, basically.
2:01amSteve

haha..

they don't think so

and some..are willing to kill others because of it
2:01amMark

Muslims.

And if you're Hindu.

You beleive that anything with a soul.

Is a God.

You avoid flies.
2:02amSteve

that's what i'm saying tho

one idea..over enough time..gains followers slowly

and suddenly in some peoples minds becomes fact

well not fact but

"faith"
2:02amMark

The way I see it is, something had to have created us. You don't just explode out of nothing.
2:03amSteve

it's possible
2:03amMark

And the fact that a human can have a conscience makes me feel like the spirit lives in us.
2:03amSteve

you don't believe there are other living beings out there?
2:03amMark

"Should I steal this"

Something in teh back of your mind tells you not to.

Over time, people lose it.

Because He gave up.
2:03amSteve

conscience is learned

you are taught it
2:04amMark

I think conscience is born with us.
2:04amSteve

i disagree
2:04amMark

If it were learned, then I would have learned nothing as a child.
2:04amSteve

there is a lot of science behind being born with only survival instincts
2:04amMark

Because my father was a rapist.

And an alcoholic.
2:04amSteve

you don't necessarily have to learn it from your parents

that is for sure
2:05amMark

I was confined to my house until I was 8 years old.
2:05amSteve

lots of people in bad situations turn out good morally
2:05amMark

I think I've always had it.
2:05amSteve

did you have a tv?

internet
2:05amMark

No internet.
2:05amSteve

school

public
2:05amMark

TV, didn't really watch.

Never went to school.
2:05amSteve

any sort of public interaction

at all

can teach you morality
2:06amMark

I was home schooled. But I taught myself most of the shit I knew.

I knew multiplication in pre-school.

I've done shit for myself mostly my whole life.

With no inspiration other than myself and my faith in everything.

I guess I don't really blame you for not having faith because some people have different reasons for having it.
2:07amSteve

which i am very aware

of

even though i am against spreadying beliefs because of how i was raised

i still that i have too because if you don't then what i am against is going to take over

kind of a catch 22

and i'm still not sure how to feel about it
2:08amMark

Don't let other people affect your beliefs. It's okay to believe in what you want.
2:08amSteve

and i do
2:08amMark

I know what I believe in, and I will always hold true to it.

I have a horrible life.

Like you wouldn't imagine.
2:08amSteve

as will i
2:08amMark

I'm that guy where everything goes wrong for him.

The cliche guy in movies.

Yeah, my life is that bad.

I have no luck.

Yet I still find the fire inside.

I am different than that kid that gave up and put a gun in his mouth.

Or slit his wrist.
2:09amSteve

which is good
2:09amMark

I can have everything taken away from me.

Yes, it bothers me.

But I can only keep going because I still find compassion in others no matter how much I get walked on.

I would die for someone I hated.

Which is what gives me something to die for.
2:10amSteve

well that's just ridiculous in my opinion

a guy rapes 12 girls and you would die for him?
2:10amMark

Yeah. I'm just a compassionate human being.

Well, if the guy realizes his mistakes.

It would depend on the situation.
2:10amSteve

well then there are circumstances
2:11amMark

If I knew that dying would cause this man to change himself, then I would do it.
2:11amSteve

but you'd never know that
2:11amMark

I wouldn't.
2:11amSteve

there is no way of knowing that
2:11amMark

There isn't.

I'm aware.

You're put on this planet to make some sort of impact on society in some way. Whether it be something you've done for someone, or something you will do.

It doesn't matter to me if I have impacted anyone or not.

All I know is that I will try my best to do that.





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Maddogme
Thu Oct 08 2009, 07:17AM
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 First off tl;dr, and wtf kind of format, I'm fucking confused.
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b4ndito
Thu Oct 08 2009, 03:24PM
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Maddogme wrote ...

First off tl;dr, and wtf kind of format, I'm fucking confused.
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Zero
Thu Oct 08 2009, 03:40PM
I want to fuck your hand.
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b4ndito wrote ...

Maddogme wrote ...

First off tl;dr, and wtf kind of format, I'm fucking confused.

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peacebypeice
Thu Oct 08 2009, 04:17PM
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 it's facebooks chats you dipshit and what are you guys a bunch of retards? it just says the time before the name of the person saying something...

but holy shit did that when i was drunk, didn't realize it was that long
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NoSkill
Thu Oct 08 2009, 07:43PM
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 I hope you don't suck at life as much as you suck at forum.
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gLiTch
Fri Oct 09 2009, 01:09AM
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 tl;dr
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The Caller of Ktulu
Fri Oct 09 2009, 02:53AM
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 I read it. You should hit that kid in the face. Hes stupid and bases all of his "facts" on words written on paper hundreds of years ago. If the religions were real, why are they not as old as man kind? Or as old as the earth for that matter?
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3stripeninja
Fri Oct 09 2009, 03:51AM
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 Dude wtf. You didn't use the word noob once, talk about being a baddie.
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b4ndito
Fri Oct 09 2009, 05:39AM
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3stripeninja wrote ...

Dude wtf. You didn't use the word noob once, talk about being a baddie.

You have 400 more posts then necessary.
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