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| Darkhand |
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Registered Member #414
Joined: Mon Sep 04 2006, 11:38PMPosts: 14 |
Hey Everyone,
Let me preface this post by saying I'm not trying to stand on a soap box and change anything. Rather, I just want to examine the mechanics and get everyones views on camping. Especially what the admins think. Also I want to offer my perspective on things and hopefully get a good debate going 
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| Ian (Shampu) |
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ian
Registered Member #5
Joined: Wed Nov 16 2005, 03:37PMPosts: 28 |
the only reason i issue a camping warning is if the player is the only one alive and takes too long to move from current area. I'm aware of that defending a point is camping, but thats reasonable and i tolerate it. What happens is that, the camping term isnt the same for all admins. Me, being admin, i get slapped for camping exit sign at the stairs in office, waiting for the Ts so come by while my team go anf rushes the hostages for rescue. |
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| Omni |
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terrible one
Registered Member #33
Joined: Tue Nov 29 2005, 11:50PMPosts: 1292 |
your situation was fine, you followed the rules exactly (spawn camping 20s = admin slay). and if a T came down back stairs after you waited 19 secs, it would still be ok to be in gerage, even past the 20sec marker. but, here is something that REALLY annoys me. if you push through back entrance and are now at back window but refuse to advance from there. it is true that you may not be "camping" because Ts keep filtering out of spawn but that is not enough. you see the reason that the Ts come out of spawn is b/c they were camping and getting bored waiting for the two Cts at aback to MOVE! Ts are allowed to camp and should not be forced to to stop and hunt out slow moving (or stopped) Cts.... u satisfied Dark hand? or must i continue? |
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Hi
Registered Member #301
Joined: Thu Jun 15 2006, 01:55AMPosts: 888 |
I usually warn if I see a CT camping sniper or garage way into the round. After that, I'll actually count to 20 seconds before I slay. In your case, I doubt I'd care. I do that myself sometimes as well. And like you said, you only waited for 20 seconds. I don't know if I answered your question. I can't think right now. |
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| Darkhand |
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Registered Member #414
Joined: Mon Sep 04 2006, 11:38PM Posts: 14 |
Omni wrote ... your situation was fine, you followed the rules exactly (spawn camping 20s = admin slay). and if a T came down back stairs after you waited 19 secs, it would still be ok to be in gerage, even past the 20sec marker. but, here is something that REALLY annoys me. if you push through back entrance and are now at back window but refuse to advance from there. it is true that you may not be "camping" because Ts keep filtering out of spawn but that is not enough. you see the reason that the Ts come out of spawn is b/c they were camping and getting bored waiting for the two Cts at aback to MOVE! Ts are allowed to camp and should not be forced to to stop and hunt out slow moving (or stopped) Cts.... u satisfied Dark hand? or must i continue? Hmm yes I agree, and I also agree that the back window camping situation is quite annoying. Many many times I'll rush rush rush the back I take the first turn in and *BLAM BLAM BLAM* I'm dead. So I turn around and all the sudden I'm at an Abercrombie and Fitch and looking at the latest in SWAT STYLE on my Maniqueins (aka teammates) whichever you want to call them. Or worse they put bullets into me or flash me as I'm trying to rush. I'm with you on that Omni. I think that if someone is sitting in the back yard and he is the last CT alive that guy deserves the super slay. Oh I wanted to add that if I'm a terrorist and I'm one of the last 2 guys like that I never try to leave projector. I find it just rewards the window shoppers. Edited Sat Sep 16 2006, 05:46AM |
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| Knightrider |
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
Projecter room is the best place to camp if your a T. I like to throw grenades and blow the chairs up into one spot and make a chair fort. I usually get 3 to 6 kills even just sitting in that one spot. Flashbangs dont affect you for the most part and you can hear footsteps easily. Not only that, you are crouched so your first bullet is going to go where you tell it to. The only thing that you have to do is time it perfectly Darkhand, I think you bring up some of the most clear logical points on this that I have seen in a while. No, I dont camp at all. I never camp. Not even to do some of the things that you mentioned above. But I do think that is neccessary especially if your team is losing real bad. But if I rush into garage, Im not going to want to be raped immedietely by 5 CTs right off of the bat. I can understand if its just one person, just dont overuse it  Perhaps these might be future rule changes? Perhaps not. I think its lookin good though for you, and for the most part, I agree on everything you said. Well put.
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| BuBBLe GooSe |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
While on Office, camping as a Terrorist is expected. Camping as a CT defeats the purpose of trying to rescue the Hostages. The reason why the 20 second rule came about is so that CT's can have the opportunity to scout from the sniper nest, across the main hall, and try to peg the T rushers who are going toward the garage/back window. The point is so that CT's won't spawn camp the entire round. 20 seconds is sufficient time to drop a few shots, then get a move on. If CT's are trying to advance through the garage, but are met with strong opposition in the back yard/back window area, then it is understood that the subsequent firefight is in hopes that the CT's can move toward the hosties in T spawn. If the CT's are merely camping behind dumpsters/boxes or in the snipernest around CT spawn with the sole intention of catching rushing T's offguard, then that is problematic because they are not advancing toward hosties. The slaying/punishment is left up to the admin's common sense and often times the CT's will recieve plenty of warnings for what not to do prior to being slayed. (Many/most admins have some sort of saying bound to a key ie: "CT Spawn Camping Over 20 seconds = Admin Slay") The point is to get the CT's moving, regardless of how many are left. I've been through this discussion a few times and I'm pretty sure that there is a Sticky Thread that refers to this exact topic in the FTC forum. The simple explanation is: Whatever your conception of camping is, while your on CT, don't do it. Generally, most CS:S players have an idea as to what it means to camp. On a map like Office, the only logical spots for CT's to camp would be CT spawn(as well as the surrounding area). Sitting is CT spawn for over 20 seconds shows that the CT cares only for kills, and not about backing up his team while they are inside. This shows that the person is a douche. Shit, I was pretty notorious for my spawn camping, but all I really wanted was some scout kills. 20 seconds allows for some scout kills as well as entering the building relatively close to the CT's who rushed. Hope this long paragraph helps. 
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Joined: Mon Aug 14 2006, 12:50PMPosts: 166 |
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FT Classic Op
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
i didn't follow the link because I"m lazy. My definition of camping is NOT knowing that someone is coming, but waiting in one spot for them to come. If i know someone's going to be somewhere in about 10 secs I'll normally wait for them somewhere and pop out around the corner - NOT wait for them to come around the corner. uhhhh stop writing fuckin speeches about stuff, I don't read them. (i read first post though) |
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