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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
Needless to say, a few days ago many of us woke up to notice the emergence of [DA] (previously called [USN]) under the [FT] umbrella. This is where we can voice our thoughts on the matter. With regards to the [DA] server and clan... nostie wrote ... oh, did you not know goose? this IS an FT server. Now doesn't that suck for you? No Nostie, it doesn't suck for JUST me, but rather it sucks for all loyal [FT]'s and the community at large. The [FT] clan and Fish Tank Community has taken a step backwards since being associated with [DA]. What 'sucks' is the tireless efforts from members in the community to promote equality and maturity, only to be backstabbed and undermined by the complete opposite ideology found in the [DA] server and clan. There are no second class members in [FT], and as a democracy, we are all equals. Within [FT], every member is on level ground and no special interest is given to admins or OPs of a server, nor does one server have more say than the others. This is the core of our Voting System and the democratic stance is one that we have chosen. In [FT], we vote and discuss and when we play on [FT] servers, we treat non-FTs, regulars and first timers with respect. We hope to invite new members into the clan based not only on how frequently they play, but also the content of their character. We do not 'vote in' chronic TKers, Spammers, Racists or asshats because we value moral fibre. When we vote someone into the [FT] clan and permit them to wear the tag, it is an affirmation that "this is a good person and he/she is allowed to represent us as we are glad to represent them." On the other hand, [DA] is based on a militaristic hierarchy, where leaders dictate the pace and strip individuals of their inherit equal stading as people and as players. Admins being allowed to abuse based on subjective reasons does not promote respect, and is quite the opposite of the ideology found on the 3 [FT] servers. [DA]'s vicious presence threatens the [FT] democratic structure that we fought so hard to maintain. [DA] shares no ideological ground with [FT]. Ironically, its like trying to overthrow a democracy to give power and say to a small group of 'leaders'; sorta like the reverse 'purpose' of the US in Iraq, which today marks as the 4 year anniversary of the war. On a smaller scale, [FT] has fought to maintain democracy, equallity and respect within the gaming community at large, and has become successful for those very reasons. With regards to proper conduct on [DA].. nostie wrote ... If you get TKed, TK THEM BACK. Being an ass is NOT what [FT] is about. How could you promote this type of foolish, confrontational bahaviour on ANY server, much less one that wants to be associated with [FT]? Is TKing a person who kills you really a mature move? How many people are you trying to scare away? This type of asshat behaviour is exactly what prevents some people from being [FT]'s and the community's association with this type of bullshit scars the good name and reputation that we have worked so hard to achieve. With regards to rules on [DA]... Rim wrote ... PS- No rules means no rules... Spawn Camp, TK (punish options enabled), kill hosties, etc. without penalty. Piss off an admin by crying, bitching, complaining or otherwise being a little girl: you're opening yourself up to whatever you get! This type of bullshit is the exact opposite of what [FT] is about. Did anybody else read this mission statement and think, "Damn, that's stupid"? If you think that this server's premise is stupid, then you are not alone. We here at [FT] are trying to promote fun and fairness, and not endorse being a total douchebag. Its your server Rim so you can run it as you choose, but its foundation is based on principles that we here in [FT] do not approve of. We strive to provide an atmosphere where players feel comfortable that admins won't abuse them. We strive to have an admin base that looks after the welfare of the players and takes complaints seriously. If someone gets TKed then complains to the admin, you say the admin is supposed to punish the person who complained and let the TKer off the hook? We strive to promote a gaming experience void of TKing, spamming and disrespectful racist douches. We want people to play on [FT] servers and have a good time so that they will come back time after time and even tell their friends about us. We want players to feel welcome so that they will join forums and enquire about clan membership. We want to keep the 3 [FT] servers populated with people that have respect for their fellow gamer, and respect for the principles on which this clan is based. I know that a lot has been made about my beef with Nostie and many have chosen not to take sides and remain neutral. This instance goes far beyond any personal beef I may have with Nostie. This issue concerns all [FT]'s and why we choose to be associated with the [FT] community. The very principles that have brought us all together are being threatened and I'll be damned if I sit idly by and not speak up. A server whose 'clan' is based on a hierarchy and gives free reign for its admins to abuse as they see fit has no place in our community. If that's how Rim wants to run his investment, then he can do so outside the walls of [FT]. They endorse breaking the very rules that the other 3 servers try enforcing and that's why [DA] is not a good fit, or representation of us. A server whose main obective is to promote the very conduct that we in [FT] find to be detremental, should have no affiliation with us, or our future members. [DA]'s presence is doing more harm than good. A good judge of strong character is to turn down an evil temptation and choose goodness over vice. Strength of character is shown when choosing the path that leads to goodness, even if it is a longer journey. Just because you can act like an ass doesn't mean that you should. Realize that we vote to keep douches out of [FT] for a good reason. Why promote a server full of douchbag behaviour? The '21+' in the server name isn't going to have any more success than the '18+' in FT servers. This [DA] nonsense is nothing more than a temptation, because we are being tempted to play on a server whereby we cannot be heald accountable for our actions. Likewise, those who have been admin abused on [DA] will assume that it is commonplace for the whole [FT] community and shy away. We would like to cross-pollinate players from the 3 servers because the three [FT] servers share much in common. [DA] shares nothing in common with any of the 3. Remember that [FT] is founded on making positive strides towards the betterment of its members and to provide a safehaven from the douchebag behavior that [DA] wants to encourage. The term Anarchy means absence of political authority. We in [FT] ARE the political authority as we all can vote, and we are all equals. Do not give up your right to have a say. Stand up for democracy and stand up against bullshit admin abuse power trips. Stand up for the underlined moral principles of fairness and justice which [FT] aims toward. Wear your [FT] tag with pride, regardless of what server you play on, and know that we here in the community stand for something. Know that the [FT] tag is a symbol of a community that is founded on democratic principles and notions of goodness, justice, maturity, tolerance, acceptance and virtue. Then ask yourself what role [DA] plays in all of this? It is not my place to criticize those [FT]'s who wear or have worn the [DA] tag as of late. All I can say is that your participation in [FT] means more to the community than your participation in [DA] ever will. I ask that you look into your heart and return home to [FT]. The path that [DA] has chosen is a path that is going in the opposite direction of [FT]. Ask yourself what path would you like to follow and why. For these reasons I do not acknowledge [DA] to be a part of [FT] and I hope that others will not be afraid to voice their concerns as well. Should anyone choose to respond, all I ask is that you be true to yourself and not take into account what the post above you might say. Look within your heart and mean what you write. Thanx for taking the time to read yet another long post. 
Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 10:15AM
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| DarkNarf |
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Surf Owner/Operator
Registered Member #29
Joined: Tue Nov 29 2005, 01:47AMPosts: 409 |
learn to live with it, we're here to stay. | ||
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| creativenate88 |
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Registered Member #545
Joined: Sun Jan 21 2007, 08:11PMPosts: 263 |
This has nothing to do with taking sides based on the people making the sides... iits a moral thing, i still <3 nostie, just want that acknowledged. I to believe in wat bubble has said. I joined FT for the community, the ppl, the equality, and the fun i have here. learn to live with it, we're here to stay. ????? Wat kind of attitude is that. IDK dark narf but based on that attitude its not a great first impretion of him or the ppl he is representing......its immature and uncalled for. im suprised any one on this server would be a dick liike that |
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| [FT] tRuEAgLe |
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![[FT] tRuEAgLe](/media/avatar/100x0/upload/att57023.1189375977.jpg)
Registered Member #386
Joined: Mon Aug 14 2006, 12:50PMPosts: 166 |
this is outta hand wow i agree wiht ya creative | ||
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| AwsedreswA |
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Registered Member #223
Joined: Wed Apr 26 2006, 10:53PMPosts: 126 |
Goose, if you intend to post something meaningful, then dont start it with "Needless to say." o.O What you said, moved me. And when I got back from the bathroom, I made this reply. ;-p First things first, I changed my tag because I thought that financial entities sought to "do-away" with FT; In exchange for the clan name Digital Anarchy. I kinda thought the name wasn't as original as Fish Tank. However, it really didnt make much difference to me as long as I got to play with the community that I have come to know and love. I would be content keeping my FT tag, but if FT maintains an open affiliation with DA then the exposure that both our clan's receive will work in synergy for one another. (ie. mutual links to the other's home page) Thus, DA's existance would benefit FT more than it's absence. Second, you chose to select particular peoples' behaviour and words to represent the clan as a whole. This sort of cherry picked information is not an accurate sample. Imagine for instance, if I were to sum up FT with subjective information. "The FTC server allows the spraying of rectal cavities, and the action is even undertaken by one of the server's admins." The statement really didnt paint the best picture did it? Although the picture was real, no pun intended. Lastly, the DA clan is just offering a different flavour of CSS. Delicious Apples if you will. A place where there are people enjoying leisure time in a less structured environment. An environment that would be in contrast to that of the typical work day, and the desired destination of escape from such. A place where everyone knows your name, much like the homieness found within FT. It is not a conglomeration of abuse and chaos, as Goose would have you believe. It is just a different side of the same coin. Thanks for your support. Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 11:28AM |
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| Wildcard23 |
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Registered Member #514
Joined: Wed Dec 20 2006, 06:33AMPosts: 1067 |
I also woke up one day to the realization that there was another server sitting on the FT server list. It took me a little while to figure out who's server it was as I didn't hear anything about it on the forums. Then I figured out where the server came from. I am just as upset about this new server as Goose is for many reasons. The main one that I want to touch on is that FT was a community with only 2 servers. There was tremendous discussion among the clan for months before a new server was introduced. Jigg, Night, and I chose to introduce a Dust2 server which obviously isn't doing well now. As we are trying to get the new server off the ground and populated, Rim returned to the community from overseas deployment. Everyone that was reading the forums knows everything that happened with this. The end result was that Rim recognized this wasn't the clan that he remembered and chose to take his server elsewhere with his new clan. Then all of a sudden it just pops up on our home page as a server under our community only it doesn't carry our community name. I take this as nothing more than a slap in the face. It's bullshit that Jigg and I have put a tremendous amount of hours into the server, got permission/support from the community as a whole, and then requested to allow it to carry the Fish Tank name from Krem and Alex. All of mine and Jigg's work was thrown back into our face in a matter of a week. I have every right to be more pissed off than Goose because of both my financial and time investment. Since Dust2 is failing, there has been tremendous discussion between Jigg, Alex, and I about what to do. We sent some time talking to Titties and were considering turning it into a rotation server for the community but now all of a sudden there is another server running rotation that is somehow magically affiliated with the community. This gives me the feeling that I just got shitted on yet again. Especially when I see that server running office and dust2 maps when we did have separate dedicated servers for those maps. Now it's back to the drawing board for Jigg and I yet again. Please take this as no attempt to be disrespectful but a lot of this needs to be voiced. When Narf decided he no longer wanted to fund the Surf server, Krem put forth a considerable donation. I followed suit with a considerable donation and the rest of the community put forth what they could to support a server that has become a cornerstone of the FT community. The FT stands for community. This is a community. I see that the office folks and the surf folks comprise that community. There was a ton of discussion to break office into it's own clan so we wouldn't have the issue of members that only surf voting on admission for prospective members that only play in office. This issue has been circumvented lately as many surf members don't vote on this or use forum participation as a way to judge. I've also seen a lot of prospective members spend time across both servers to get to know people. I'm totally cool with this. If Jigg and I wanted to start a sub clan for dust2 then we would run it by the community to get the feelings of the community. Make sure that it was all kosher and good to go. DA, in the clan's owner's own words, is a military regimented clan that resorts back to the old days of what FT USED to be. FT is no longer like this. We are a democracy. NOT a military regime. Rim talked about breaking away and starting his own clan in his withdrawal thread and all of a sudden his server pops up under the FT umbrella. My personal feelings as I've already given background on is that this is total crap. Nothing against you Rim or Narf. I enjoy playing with you on Office when I get the chance but I have issues with the way this new server and clan magically came under the FT umbrella. I apologize for the long post but a lot needed to be said on this issue. My end feeling is that since we are a democratic community, the new server issue needs to be brought to a vote. Every member will vote for whether or not they want this new server under our umbrella. If the vote passes, then the server falls under FT Rules and Regulations. It will be run accordingly and the clan for the new server will fall in as a sub clan which also needs to abide by our standing orders. If none of this is acceptable, then the community needs to decide whether we will support an outside clan. This should also be done by vote to see what extent we will support another clan's server that is totally separate from the FT community. However, like Goose said, we will then be telling people to go play on a server that is nothing like the values the FT clan has come to represent. Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 12:31PM |
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| Pockyninja |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
Registered Member #28
Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PMPosts: 704 |
I can't really think of a good way to start this post so I am just going to get into the fat of the subject lol. Goose I am kinda wondering why you suddenly have a problem with this server. As I said earlier this isn't the first DA server we had. Kermit made a few of these servers that ether went under or he just suddenly stopped supporting. This is not saying that any of your points are wrong but it would seem with your feelings as they are you would have said something about the other 2 or 3 times kermit has introduced a DA server. (yes all DA servers have had no rules) As for this server I do not feel it is a FT server. It is owned by a nonmember who had turned down his own vote. I supported your reentry into the clan all the way though rim and I still have no problem with you returning to the clan, but you are not in the clan and there for your server is not ether without a vote of some sort. As for DA returning to our routes that is a lie and the truth at the same time. I see it as a alternate path from our roots. Orignaly on our first FT server we had rules more or less. We were allowed to abuse whoever disrespected us or broke these rules. We also enforced rules as we saw fit so it was a less uniform version of the current system. We just have more sturdy rules and enforce them now. Your server if it is what it claims is no rules at all and admins do as they please. This is something I feel we should never be a part of. I play here to get away from servers like that were admins are compleat dicks to everyone because they have unbeatable power. That is something I can't stand to see someone bullying the innocent with power that only few can wield. Also awser this is not the kind of server you go to after a long day. This is the kind of server you go to and could instantly get banned from for no reason. The kind of server where your trying to play and the admins turn down the gravity then put it on it's highest settings killing everyone. This is the kind of server were only the admin has fun toying with the people playing. As for this server I don't really think there is a reason to vote at all. This server is not a part of this clan. It is not owned by this clan and while it may share a few members that dose not make it ours. We can have a vote to have it be under our clan but as goose said then it has to suffer the consequences of such a choice. As it stands I think we remove the server from the list until it gets voted to be allowed in at all since there is no good reason it is in our list. |
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| Cha Siew Bao |
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Registered Member #133
Joined: Sat Jan 21 2006, 09:03PMPosts: 198 |
I can't understand why [DA] is being affiliated with us aside from having the server on the side of the site...I mean, yes goose you made good points about how their system of 'anarchy' doesn't fit very well with what we've set up, but its not like the [DA] server has messages saying "Come Visit our sister site the 24/7 FTC." Playing yesterday i don't recall FTC having a message saying "Hate how whiny people are on FTC? come to DA." My opinion is that what they do in their own server is up to them. The members that we share are suppose to be able to realize what server they're playing on and abide by FTC rules when on FTC. As of now..correct me if i'm wrong, we don't have any rules about people being in more than one clan. So why not? When FT fills up and you play on other servers you're expected to abide by the server rules, complain all you must, but as an [FT] member i can't imagine most of our members creating a bad rep for us. If DA members/reg manage their way onto FTC and start breaking rules and of course disrespecting admins, they can Expect to be punished accordingly to the procedure. Like you said before all [FT] members are equal in the server, no one is allowed to break the rules regardless of their status, and even the regs are influential on the servers some times. I can understand the upset the server addition to the side of the site has caused, especially to wild since dust was just set up a couple weeks ago. I'm sure eventually a solution will come up whether it is the removal of the server from the site or having a vote, or w/e we decide. But for now they haven't come into FTC by the hordes to start breaking rules, they haven't tried turning regs and current clan members to trade their [FT] tags for [DA] tags, and they haven't spammed either server and forum about how great their server is so leave them be. Oh, and if we are advertising their server through the server messages on FTC then i retract everything i just said and say "fuck it." We didn't advertise pestilence's server, why would we do it with this one unless they relinquish the DA title and/or add FT to the server and start abiding by the standard rules for all servers. Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 02:21PM |
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| scope_uk |
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scope_uk
Registered Member #389
Joined: Thu Aug 17 2006, 10:20PMPosts: 598 |
As one of these people wearing The [FT] and [DA] tags. I would like to say a few pieces. I see where Bubble, Wildcard and others are coming from especially Wildcard having dedicated his time and money into researching,discussing and providing [FT] with a new server for it to hit low times and his alternative plan (rotation server) for his idea to be crushed by [DA] popping up. But i would class all of this [FT], {F7L5} and regulars as a community and in communities you get different religions ,beliefs ,likes and dislikes.. I can see why some of you do not want to be seen to be associated with [DA] "No rules,just right". But in communities there are a lot of things you do not and do like. The truth is (for now) you/we are associated with [DA]. Now the choice you have to make is not dark or light path it is "Do you want to embrace this new server or dismiss it" there is no right answer. In the long run if the server lasts, it will benefit the other FT servers. Every server attracts different crowds if they are surf lovers they go to surf, office lovers to the office etc.. there will be no difference with [DA] yes you may get more immature "asshats" joining the server but in a way this is what the server caters for. Now I'm not saying [DA] was made as a magnet for the dumb and unruly but as a resting point from rules and guidelines where you are encouraged to use your own common sense not other peoples. Now what I'm trying to say is people who like rules guidelines (me included) will join fun disciplined servers like our [FT] Office, Dust2 and surf servers but for the others who just want to have a good mash up and fun time they will join servers like our [DA] rotation. If we stick to are rules and guidelines on Office Dust2 and surf there is no reason why people can have an excuse to disobey them just because [DA] does not wish to keep the same rules and guidelines. So if you don't want to be associated with [DA] the harsh truth is at the moment you are but you don't have to join the server or post in the [DA] forum. |
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| Pockyninja |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
Registered Member #28
Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PM Posts: 704 |
scope we may be associated at the moment but that dose not mean that such a thing has to last a very long time. The actions taken will determan how things will change. As for the cross over I would be more worried about people having a horrible exsperence on DA and then seeing FT in with them and expecting us to be just like them. If you think this is unlikely then you clearly don't know people very well. They always clump things together and make judgments without any real knowledge of what they are talking about. |
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