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#woo
Registered Member #23
Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PMPosts: 665 |
I see alot of people saying they don't want DA to be a part of FT. You're forgetting that FT was once Digital Anarchy, in some sense. And it was DA that gave the first FT servers the help they needed (refering to FTC) to get started. I think it's very unreasonable to judge the server based on it's rules. I mean jesus people. Look @ Fish Tank Surf. Just becouse our rules say "no spawn camping" do you hear people complaining that people from FTC are coming over and camping as Ts becouse thats the way it is on FTC rules? No. I also saw people say "how do we benefit from this? [as FT]". I once again can't belive how some of you are. Only wanted something for something. How about being nice and not caring for something in return for once? DA once gave help to FT and never asked for favors back. So how about showing a little more support towards them? Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 08:02PM |
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AKA cupcake
Registered Member #374
Joined: Fri Aug 04 2006, 03:38AMPosts: 858 |
If I like men and men run [DA], then I like [DA]. Seriously, I don't have a problem with it and I plan to play on the sever when I return. Why? I dont know, it's just another server to play on besides 24/7 office, surf, and 24/7 dust2/zombie. |
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
I agree with narf on this one. Goose, you'e too analytical to realize that DA is just another place where people can get together and have fun. servers are not all about rules. BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... I see... we treat regulars with respect... And the democracy that we have treats everyone equally. That's why you argued with all of your might that we should get rid of Kever, because one person going down is better than the whole server being annoyed. Kind of sounds like Hitler, and getting rid of the Jews, because all of Germany will be a better place eh?There are no second class members in [FT], and as a democracy, we are all equals. Within [FT], every member is on level ground and no special interest is given to admins or OPs of a server, nor does one server have more say than the others. This is the core of our Voting System and the democratic stance is one that we have chosen. In [FT], we vote and discuss and when we play on [FT] servers, we treat non-FTs, regulars and first timers with respect. Wildcard23 wrote ... What? D2 never was voted on... Why whould DA have to be voted on?
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My end feeling is that since we are a democratic community, the new server issue needs to be brought to a vote. Every member will vote for whether or not they want this new server under our umbrella. |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
nostie wrote ... I see... we treat regulars with respect... And the democracy that we have treats everyone equally. That's why you argued with all of your might that we should get rid of Kever, because one person going down is better than the whole server being annoyed. Kind of sounds like Hitler, and getting rid of the Jews, because all of Germany will be a better place eh? Last time I checked, that thread was a democratic VOTE on the Fate of Kever. Many responses were made and there were a bunch of people on either side of the debate. You trying to associate me to Hitler is totally whack. You Nostie, of all people. But whatever, I'm not getting into it with you because this situation goes far beyond any of our personal squabbles. This DA isue deals with the FT clan as a whole so say what you want about me. Nostie, call me any name you want, I don't care. This issue is about more than you think... nostie wrote ... What? D2 never was voted on... Why whould DA have to be voted on? Well, D2 had threads and weeks of discussion regarding maps and gathering support for the idea. Everyone in FT was well aware of a 3 members making another [FT] server that would follow the 'FT Culture' and make the server, FIT the clan. We wake up one day an Bam [DA] is in?? Who [FT] chooses to be affiliated with is a matter of public policy, which can be voted on under the Voting System. Sure Krem owns the site, so who he advertiss is up to him, but that shouldn't prevent FT's from speaking up with regards of who WE choose to advertise. |
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Bitch
Registered Member #20
Joined: Mon Nov 21 2005, 08:06PMPosts: 98 |
ok so i know i havent been posting alot lately but this thread caught my attention. Now for those of you that dont know me i have been with the community for over 2 years and have just come back from a break. I was on FTC on its very first day, as i recall it was only me and alex on. I was also here when the original DA was around. I helped admin on there along with Rim. Finally i was around BEFORE DA was ever even thought about. I was with the original FT 24/7 office server. ok enough about my history. i have to completely agree with bubble goose on this. The very thought of having a server that promotes ADMIN abuse, tking, and other jackass things under the FT community does in fact destroy everything FT has become. The original DA run by kremit and emily is nothing like the DA we have today. yes the server did say "no rules just right" but that was only to an extent. Admins were still supposed to monitor the servers for tkers, asshats and hackers. Admins are supposed to be the most mature and respected members of the community and they should be the most responsible members of the community. I personally believe that an Admin that promotes abuse completely contradicts what Admins stand for. I know when i wanted to become an admin , i wanted it not for the power but i wanted to help the server anyway i could. i wanted to help protect what the server standed for and think this new server DA goes against that. FT ftw, DA ftl until next time |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PMPosts: 1545 |
I've resisted the temptation to quote several hundreds of words that others have posted and I'm not sure where exactly to start with this. More posts keep coming in so, unfortunately, the idea of discussing every point that has been raised is not possible. I want to post on this thread and get some of my concerns and observations out in the open. There is a lot of speculation on DA motives and intentions but we have very little public statements by those that appear to be in charge. I know we've got a few comments by nostie which have already been grilled to perfection, Goose-style  , but I still think we're lacking in anything official... or maybe that's the whole point of DA and I just don't get it.Much of the discussion that has already occurred seems well-founded, and despite some abrasive points made, I mostly agree that the perceived attitude that DA's clan and (lack of) server policy is at odds with FT culture. I get the impression that we (staunch FT's) are being bypassed and ignored simply because the DA folks want to forsake what we've accomplished in the past year and start something of their own. That's fine, but please don't cram a contradictory approach to clan and server operation down our throat without giving people a chance to discuss it first. If you intend to shatter the notions of democracy and silly little rules that are somewhat common among FT servers then give people some time to warm up to them. One thing that sort of annoys me is all of this talk about "FT rules." The reason I mention "FT culture" above is that we have no official rules that pertain to server operation. If the policies of clan operation are not agreeable then that's fine, but I think people are getting confused about whether the clan can stop a server from operating or even has any place to do so. We do have a "culture" that has developed and (parts of it, at least) tends to bleed over into server operation without having an official power to do so. Our social clan has never held sway over server operation and this is by design. With that in mind, there is no official rule set that defines how one goes about starting a new server in the FT community, or who to talk to, how long to wait, etc. The manner in which Nightrider, Jigg, and Wildcard handled starting D2 deserves praise. Even without an established policy on launching a new server these guys showed an exceptional amount of tact and prudence in my opinion, and that is probably why I find the addition of DA to our list of clan servers somewhat disappointing. Perhaps if the community at large had been consulted or, at the very least given any indication that their opinions would be valued, then I wouldn't mind having DA around. Instead we get a news item on the front page our site and very little information about the server aside from the fact that the goal appears to be diametrically opposed to the establish FT culture of almost a year. If someone from the no-rules, yet supposedly regimented leadership of DA would be so kind as to let us know some more information I would greatly appreciate it. Here are some of my questions, concerns, and observations. Again, these are directed towards the DA ops/clanleaders: 1. Why the subtle launch of the server? It only seems logical that you would want support through advertising. I saw some of you guys playing on FT Classic this weekend with your tag on (sans your 'FT' tag, oddly enough) and explaining to those who asked what "DA" means in your tag. Should this be interpreted as no more interest in FT at the very least, or a total rejection of FT at the very worst? 2. Perhaps nostie spoke out of turn, but why claim to even be a part of the larger FT organization when it seems obvious to even a casual observer that at least one of the Ops of the DA server is thumbing his nose at FT and the predominant culture of leader-less social clan operation by design? 3. Someone please explain why one of your members has said this: AwsedreswA wrote ... First things first, I changed my tag because I thought that financial entities sought to "do-away" with FT; In exchange for the clan name Digital Anarchy. Is this person, like nostie, possibly speaking out of turn? If not, I would love to explore exactly what consists of "financial entities." 4. Are you trying to make your clan extremely divisive among FT's by design, or do you just not care? Having one of your Ops respond to a 1500 word post with: DarkNarf wrote ... learn to live with it, we're here to stay. ...could go either way in my opinion. I'm not trying to be aggressive about this issue but I would like someone from the DA leadership team to provide some insight into what's really going on here. Criticism of my post is welcome, but let's try to keep everything in perspective. Thanks and I look forward to some more information. P.S. I believe I coined the term "FT Culture," Goose!  Or maybe I read it somewhere and can't remember...
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Registered Member #223
Joined: Wed Apr 26 2006, 10:53PMPosts: 126 |
I'm kinda with AP on this, lets have some more information from an official source. Like I said, I thought that those paying for our resources wanted change, so I changed my tag. I almost want to just make my personal clan Fish Anarchy. Just Kidding  Ya know me and AP had some qualms. I got out of line and then AP jumped out of line to karate kick me. However it didn't take long for us both to realize we get no soup if we dont stand in line. So AP got back in line and saved me a spot There were even server changes to limit the amount of admin involvement in team balancing. Which if you remember the confrontation, made me so happy I almost shat myself. That little hiccup in history told me a lot about AP and FT. Real people, and real cool. I was honored to of had KW inv me to the clan. And I have put forth reasonable effort to contribute to our community. Lets stay that way. Be cool. In a perfect world FT and DA would be a happy family. |
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PM Posts: 3167 |
to respond to #3, and sorry if I'm speaking out of turn, but I dislike having [DA] replace [FT]... I use the name [FT] Nostie [DA] (or [FT] Nostie {F7L5}, depending on the server) because i think this fits more with the subclan idea. also: I'd like to re-emphasize my key point: servers aren't all about rules, and admins on this server will be encouraged NOT to use their power unless necessary/warranted. (caps for emphasis) THIS SERVER WILL RUN LIKE MOST SERVERS RUN, THE RULES WILL JUST NOT BE WRITTEN DOWN. I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO READ SERVER RULES ANYWAY. (THIS IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW. WAITING FOR RIM/NARF/KREMIT WORKS TOO) Last thing: Admins will be hand selected, and there will be few of them. (I'm pretty sure) Edited Mon Mar 19 2007, 11:59PM |
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FT Classic Op
Registered Member #39
Joined: Fri Dec 02 2005, 10:30PM Posts: 1545 |
Well thanks, nostie. You seem to be doing a lot of talking on behalf of DA but I'm not sure that's helping them much. Comparing Goose to Hitler may not qualify you as the best spokesman for... well, anything. I do appreciate you stating that your opinions are largely your own, but I am more eager to hear something on this thread from the DA masterminds. | ||
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#woo
Registered Member #23
Joined: Fri Nov 25 2005, 11:39PM Posts: 665 |
Why do people always ignore what I say?! =( | ||
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