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Registered Member #289
Joined: Sat Jun 10 2006, 05:17AMPosts: 1543 |
i appriciated what you said bleek. i wasn't going to post anything on this thread till i was more sure of wtf was going on with the DA server....i like the idea of a less intense environment, but i think some kinks should be worked out with the presentation of hte server before i can form an opinion | ||
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Meteor 2016
Registered Member #316
Joined: Mon Jun 26 2006, 09:14PMPosts: 3503 |
I do not like the idea of a subclan promoting "Do whatever the fuck you want!". I'm at the moment too lazy to quote people individually because I'm about to go watch the Departed, but I'll quote from my own knowledge of what had been said. Nostie: "If someone tk's you, TK THEM BACK!" This was a reason why Ninca was perma banned from FTC. He had used the same philosophy as you had used. I'm not singling him out, but others go by the same reasoning. To have a server with the same idealization added on to FT with its other servers with the same rules, it just wouldn't make sense. Nonetheless, I thought I had found a clan where the douchebags were filtered out. Your Digital Anarchy server is just going to attract everything that I don't want. I can understand that you're trying to make a new server where people that are unsatisfied with the rules that our previous FT servers had implicated, but it doesn't work here and I'm not too happy about it. It would be much better if you make the server not a subdivision of FT's clan being that we do not run servers for free little tk immature little pricks to do whatever the hell they want. It's the 18+ maturity level that we want, and putting a 21+ on your server is not going to filter out anything. You're still going to have the same problems you had before so it's best that you do not run it off of FT. The free will of "If you piss admins off they are free to abuse you!" is the stupidest bullshit I've ever heard. I remember when Kalibur had abused admin on GunGame and it was part of the reason of it's lack of connection and eventual downfall. Nobody wants a server where the admins just abuse the fuck out of you because they do what they want. I thought the whole idea of an "Administrator" was to promote well being in the servers and a good place for someone to play. At least that's how the way it is in the other FT servers. I do not understand what you are trying to promote in our servers. All in all, I just do not think this is a good idea at all. I agree with Bubble, this is complete bullshit. Everything this clan basically stands for is contradicted by this server. |
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Ruler of all that is pocky
Registered Member #28
Joined: Mon Nov 28 2005, 11:17PMPosts: 704 |
nostie wrote ... also: I'd like to re-emphasize my key point: servers aren't all about rules, and admins on this server will be encouraged NOT to use their power unless necessary/warranted. (caps for emphasis) THIS SERVER WILL RUN LIKE MOST SERVERS RUN, THE RULES WILL JUST NOT BE WRITTEN DOWN. I DON'T KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO READ SERVER RULES ANYWAY. (THIS IS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW. WAITING FOR RIM/NARF/KREMIT WORKS TOO) If that is the case then please exsplain this quote from rim himself. Rim wrote ... PS- No rules means no rules... Spawn Camp, TK (punish options enabled), kill hosties, etc. without penalty. Piss off an admin by crying, bitching, complaining or otherwise being a little girl: you're opening yourself up to whatever you get! This post says that people are allowed to spawn camp, TK, and generally do whatever they like and if someone complains they get admin abused. This dose not show a lot of effort to enforce rules be they written or not written but a complete lack of any law except don't piss off admins. bleek wrote ... I see alot of people saying they don't want DA to be a part of FT. You're forgetting that FT was once Digital Anarchy, in some sense. And it was DA that gave the first FT servers the help they needed (refering to FTC) to get started. I think it's very unreasonable to judge the server based on it's rules. I mean jesus people. Look @ Fish Tank Surf. Just becouse our rules say "no spawn camping" do you hear people complaining that people from FTC are coming over and camping as Ts becouse thats the way it is on FTC rules? No. This statement is incorrect. DA came after FT came. It's history is very short it goes a little something like this. Once there was a rotation server that went down in about a month. Then there was another server which lasted even less time. Now there is this server lets see how long it last. It was the original Fish tank server that gave FTC it's help the original FT server had changed over to a rotation server and at that point Alex made FTC to take the place of the original only office server. The entire time there has been FT I have not only been a member but also a admin. I know FT history and your wrong on this point completely. Kermit the founder of both FT and DA did own the original server though. Also you can judge a server by it's rules in fact that is one of the best ways to. It gives you a general idea of what kind of conduct is more likely to be seen there and the type of exsperence they are trying to provide. The rules are a foundation of a server everything else is how people interpret and enforce such. With no rules it means that people are free to do as they please and human nature takes over. How many people do you know that are generally well meaning and would absolutely never abuse power knowing that there would be no consequences for their actions and if they hurt anyone they wouldn't have to deal with it lol. If you think there are a lot of these people then please give it a try by all means and see how quickly a good person can do horrible things. bleek wrote ... I also saw people say "how do we benefit from this? [as FT]". I once again can't belive how some of you are. Only wanted something for something. How about being nice and not caring for something in return for once? DA once gave help to FT and never asked for favors back. So how about showing a little more support towards them? Aside from my point of DA never giving a hand to FT unlike your claims. Would you support someone who is trying to kill you? This is pretty much what the problem is. Also they didn't even give the common curtsy to inform us before just doing this. Respect is something that is earned and if you treat others without respect then you will get the same in turn. the fact that they didn't do anything to inform or talk about this issue but just jammed it down our throats shows a complete lack of respect for us or what we stand for there for they are feeling the backlash. wrote ... One thing that sort of annoys me is all of this talk about "FT rules." The reason I mention "FT culture" above is that we have no official rules that pertain to server operation. If the policies of clan operation are not agreeable then that's fine, but I think people are getting confused about whether the clan can stop a server from operating or even has any place to do so. We do have a "culture" that has developed and (parts of it, at least) tends to bleed over into server operation without having an official power to do so. Our social clan has never held sway over server operation and this is by design. I don't think the goal of this is to stop this server from operating but more to make it so that this server is not involved with the Fish tank clan. I feel that this should be a power the clan holds the right to affiliate with which servers we choose to. If we just let any nonmember just plop their server into the line up like DA is doing right now then we will have more and more problems on our plate. nostie wrote ... BuBBLe GooSe wrote ... I see... we treat regulars with respect... And the democracy that we have treats everyone equally. That's why you argued with all of your might that we should get rid of Kever, because one person going down is better than the whole server being annoyed. Kind of sounds like Hitler, and getting rid of the Jews, because all of Germany will be a better place eh?There are no second class members in [FT], and as a democracy, we are all equals. Within [FT], every member is on level ground and no special interest is given to admins or OPs of a server, nor does one server have more say than the others. This is the core of our Voting System and the democratic stance is one that we have chosen. In [FT], we vote and discuss and when we play on [FT] servers, we treat non-FTs, regulars and first timers with respect. This is a horrible annolgy it is more like you got a thousand men and if you kill one all of them would be spared. Hitler was killing off a entire race of people because he felt like it. Please if your going to use history make sure it applies. What is more on this topic it was a democratic matter and people are entitled to their opinions. The thing is we still do not have a real answer if kever did or did not hack and if she currently dose. This remains a question to this day the topic was what to do about it. While I do not agree with the choice he had on it I respect his choice on that issue and unless he is spouting some nonsense then any mature person can respect the difference in opinion. nostie wrote ... Wildcard23 wrote ... What? D2 never was voted on... Why whould DA have to be voted on?My end feeling is that since we are a democratic community, the new server issue needs to be brought to a vote. Every member will vote for whether or not they want this new server under our umbrella. Lets get a few reasons out there. 1) This server is owned by a nonmember and there for has no affiliation with FT. On the other hand 3 FT members are the owners of the dust server. 2) This server just kinda plopped itself in our line up but we knew months before Dust 2 appeared. 3) This server doesn't even have FT in the name this raises the question of do they really want to be a FT server or just leach off us to get some hits. 4) There is a large amount of controversy about this server but the dust one had none at all. I think that covers some reasons but I am sure there are a lot more. |
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The All-Cum Diet
Registered Member #47
Joined: Mon Dec 05 2005, 04:55PMPosts: 1888 |
It seems that a lot of good points have been raised here, so that means that I don't have to do much typing. In short, I completely agree with Goose and his posts. I am against the idea of a DA clan (as it has been put forth thus far). | ||
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| .neXTt |
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Registered Member #507
Joined: Thu Dec 14 2006, 01:42PMPosts: 539 |
okay i don't have a lot of time since my last period class ends in about a couple minutes. but i'd like to say despite of all these arguments. the best way to compromise, in my opinion. is just not have [DA] affiliated with [FT] BECAUSE can anyone think of any reason why it would be? you guys can have your server up and people thatl ike to spawn tk and shit and spawn flash their team can play there and become regs and admins can ban everybody. thats about it. the whole reason this issue came up is because you guys considered yourselves a subclan under [FT], yet obey none of the rules or system that [FT] has. | ||
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| Kirby |
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Registered Member #452
Joined: Fri Oct 06 2006, 07:14PMPosts: 600 |
Sense some people are against the adding of the [DA] server to [FT] then why has there not been a vote put up for it yet. Seeing as that we are a "democracy" or so i thought. I think that would solve most, if not all problems, would it not? Also i am wondering why the ops of [DA] aren't taking part in this discussion. As far as i can tell the only people to be talking on behalf of [DA] is Scope/Nostie. Why is this? I know Darknarf had spoke at the beginning of the thread. Darknarf said... Though it didnt really say much for the clan other than the fact that they dont give a shit about what FT has grown to become, by going behind our backs to bring this server into FT. How about Rim, Darknarf, and Kremit reply back to some of the things said and explain what is happening. Like i said above possibly start a vote about whether or not to add the server. This would be a very democratic thing to do sence thats what you all say we are. |
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Space Monkey
Registered Member #1
Joined: Sat Nov 12 2005, 03:26AMPosts: 378 |
Please lets try to find a way to live together, I really want a place to play full rotation, and no rules. The DA forums can be private if you want, and it will just be listed on the menu, but I beg the opposition to DA to allow this for me. FTc was kicked too for this reason, but surf seems to be ok, maybe someone can start individual thread discussions, this is LENGTHY. But please, consider it. I need CSS and want a rotation. | ||
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PMPosts: 1592 |
kremit wrote ... FTc was kicked too for this reason, but surf seems to be ok, maybe someone can start individual thread discussions, this is LENGTHY. But please, consider it. I need CSS and want a rotation. FTc stands for Fish Tank Competative,,, it was not kicked. It was an attempt to get more scrims against other clans and to have actual practices. [FTc] was a competative team of [FT] in that it was intended for [FT]'s who wanted to play competatively. Kremit thought that you could bring in outside players (non-FT's) for this 'clan' when it was a Team for active FT's. It worked for a bit and it was fun. FTc is an example of a viable 'sub-clan' formed from [FT]'s and is in no way similar to [DA] nor was it 'kicked'. People just lost interest in being Competative. [FT] membership is not dependant on Stats or Skill,,, it is about a group of people having fun and playing on servers that try to promote the same ideals. Krem, I really hope that you find the time to actually READ the responses in this thread. A lot of people took the time to make posts. |
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| nostie |
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Registered Member #185
Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:42PMPosts: 3167 |
I've had about enough of your self-centered-ness Goose. Not everyone here is as much as a mid-20's loser as you, and we don't all take the time to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of egotism. Some of us are here to have fun playing the game of counter-strike. (keep in mind, I'm not calling everyone who reads this shit a loser. just people who put as much thought into it as goose.) Edited Tue Mar 20 2007, 11:55PM |
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The Original MilfHunter
Registered Member #163
Joined: Mon Mar 06 2006, 02:24PM Posts: 1592 |
nostie wrote ... I've had about enough of your self-centered-ness Goose. Not everyone here is as much as a mid-20's loser as you, and we don't all take the time to read paragraphs upon paragraphs of egotism. Some of us are here to have fun playing the game of counter-strike. (keep in mind, I'm not calling everyone who reads this shit a loser. just people who put as much thought into it as goose.) LoL. I criticized Krem for not reading what everyone in the Community says and you try throwing it in MY face? Groovy. These 'paragraphs upon paragraphs' have taken community members a lot of time... I asked Kerm to read it. Nostie, you and I differ and this thread is not about personal bullshit. I put thought into what I say, you don't. Whats your point? I hope that [DA] has rewarded you well for your dedication. Nostie, just hand in the [FT] tag, you don't care about it, you are only out for your personal interests. |
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